Friday, July 30, 2010

Words from Warren

I was reading questions and comments following one of my daily articles and this one jumped out at me as it is quite long and chock full of good information. I decided to use this as an article of the day because I felt that since it was written by a reader, his insights may, and likely will, resonate well with all of you because he is one of you.

Since these are not my words, I felt it would not be correct or proper for me to do a recording.

So, to Warren and all of you who write in questions and comments I say thanks for your interest and thanks for taking the time to write. Like your teachers in school always said, no question is stupid and honest and genuine comments help us all, as learning is the sharing of good ideas. The student can teach other students and the student can teach the teacher. So as in all educational environments, keep an open mind and keep helping each other to continue learning and improving our golf swings to play better golf. Now, here is what Warren wrote, for all of us.

The Surge!

WARREN says:
Look folks, between NinerMike, Randy Beckett, and the Surge ( last but certainly not least ), you have all the info you need to play good golf. Forget all this 1 Plane, 2 Plane, Rotational Swing, Down Swing, Around Swing, Into the Ground Swing, Stack & Tilt Swing….blah, blah, blah. Or, “Buy this club and you can turn pro. Buy this DVD and all your prayers are answered.,..blah, blah, blah.”

We’ve all chased the illusive “secret method.” And you are still chasing it, aren’t you? Well, QUIT doing it! You have all the info you need in front of you, but you need to study it and practice it. The one thing, and only thing, I agree with Ben Hogan on is that you must “dig it out of the dirt’. What he meant was that you get out of golf what you put in to it. There ain’t no free lunch! Surge has said that himself. You must understand what you are trying to do and PRACTICE. Not “part” of the system, the entire concept. Surge isn’t offering you a buffet, where you pick what you like and leave the rest. It doesn’t work that way.

Study Surge’s DVDs. Then do yourself a favor and take NinerMike’s advice too. Go to Amazon.com and buy a copy of Ernest Jones’s book “Swing the Clubhead”. He teaches you how to execute a PURE swinging action of the club. It’s all you need to do. Forget about shifting the weight to the right on the backswing, pulling down with the left hand to start the downswing, transferring you weight back to the right side, turning your shoulders, etc., etc., etc. With all the images, words, thoughts, and positions you have been told you need to know, how in the world do you think anybody has enough concentration, ability, talent, and/or coordination to do all that? Well, the answer is…THERE ISN’T!

There are a few things that are present in every good player. They have excellent balance, for one. That balance produces a graceful look to the swing…whoops, there’s that word again…”SWING”. Funny how that keeps popping up. The balance comes from an absence of out of position force. If you try to “force” a golf swing, just do yourself a favor and quit now. You’re never going to be any good. I’m telling you what Surge can’t. He’s too diplomatic, and he truly has a desire to see you get better. Unfortunately, for some of you though, his desire is greater than yours. You want it, but not enough to EARN it. Sorry, but that ain’t the way it works.

Get the book by Ernest Jones and it will explain what Surge has been trying to teach you….a pure swinging motion. It’s what ALL top golfers use, bar none! Who is this Ernest Jones and why am I preaching about him. Well, he founded this” Swing the Clubhead” method of teaching. He only had ONE LEG, and could shoot par golf. So, for you out there that have both of yours, what’s your excuse now for continuing to play so poorly? Ernest couldn’t “transfer” his weight. He’d fall over on his face. So forget all that weight transfer stuff you’re trying to MAKE happen. I’m telling you the truth by saying that the Swinging Motion will take care of ALL you need to know to produce a simple, repeatable golf swing that will yield more pleasurable rounds of golf than you ever thought possible. It will produce a swing that has balance, grace, and ease of effort. Oh, and did I mention you won’t tire and hurt either?

WARREN

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  • johnc
    Don: I couldn't help but watch all the DVDs at one time last night. Went straight to the course this morning without any practice. I couldn't believe some of the shots I was hitting. Even though I didn't shoot my low score (no wonder, huh, no practice?), I hit more good shots in one round than I usually do in two or three weeks. I hit the stick two or three times, including one that was three inches shy of an ace. I thought I'd probably be asking for my money back. Not a chance - best golf investment I've ever made! Thank's for working so hard on a great system.
  • I really am enjoying PPGS. This is easily the most help for the money my game has seen. For less than the cost of two rounds, I have the videos and the manual. I feel that my game is getting better. I enjoy the blogs. I like all kinds of blogs. I follow several that have to do with golf, fishing, and hunting. What I don't enjoy is NinerMike acting like CNN and telling me this is what "so and so" said and this is what they meant. I really do believe he has great insight on PPGS and many, in fact most, of his comments are helpful. BUT, my opinion, he also tends to get his hackles up very quickly when others don't see things his way. I would like to see more input from DT in these blogs but I understand he is supplying the venue and I take it for what it is. Like many, I would like to find an instructor who teaches PPGS. I think it would speed up the process to improvement. Even the great Jack Nicklaus used to see Jack Grout occasionally for a tune up.
  • Merry
    While I certainly agree that too much analysis of golf positions, etc. can lead to paralysis, and I do see that learning to SWING the clubhead is critical......But, some of you guys have to understand that it is necessary for many of us to comprehend the mechanics. I also agree that watching videos of the swing is very helpful. During my lesson with Don, we filmed HIM hitting some shots.......which was amazing how this man drove 1 1/2 hours, gets out of the car, doesn't stretch or warm up, and hits perfect shots. Just today, I watched the dvd several times and slowed down and paused his swing to answer my remaining questions. Hopefully, this will now give me the confidence to go out and make a better swinging motion.
  • WARREN
    Rather than single out certain readers for a response to their statements about my post, I will attempt to answer all of the posters with one response, if that doesn't offend anyone. As i expected, some have castigated me, some have agreed, and others still are wondering where i got the drugs I am taking.

    NinerMike, thanks for all the nice comments, and the support of my "dis-believers".

    I read the book about Ernest Jones and was very impressed with his teachings. Even though the equipment was different in those days, his theory still holds true. Arnie Frankle did a VHS on this theory and he is a devout student of Ernest Jones. Arnie has played some International Tournament Golf as well, and he used in the equipment of the day in the video...steel shafts, not hickory.

    The swing is not a rotational swing that he teaches, in that there is no turning of the body back behind you. ANSON, I think maybe you might be getting the Club and the body mixed up there...and I'm not trying to interpret for you. I'm just making a guess. Also, about the deviation from so-called "movements" that are deemed to be "fundamentals", I stand firm in my opinion that it is not necessary to be concerned about them. They will be "automatically" performed if the swinging motion is done properly. Your mind will "automatically tell your body where to move on it's own. You missed on of my important points...BALANCE. Your body will strive to keep that balance, so as not to cause a problem....like falling over. That is why balance is so important.

    To those that say we are doomed to never be able to approach a certain level of "pro-ness", again, you have missed my message. What I strived to say, and maybe didn't hit the point for you, was that you CAN hit a higher level of proficiency in golf with a swinging motion! And it is a heckuva lot easier than trying to copy the "position" that the latest major monthly golf publication advocates you to get into, otherwise you have no hope of ever playing good golf. Au Contraire!

    What I am saying to all of you is that ALL OF YOU have the talent inside you to reach higher levels of proficiency. How's that for a claim? I GUARANTEE IT! Now, before you start telling me I sound like the Shylock's that are trying to pawn off the latest and greatest to you, let me explain. I didn't say that once you learn how to make a pure swinging motion, you can quit your job and head for the PGA Tour Qualifying School. Some of you will have more success than others. Sorry, but that's just the way life is. I wish I could throw a football like Tim Tebow too, but it will never happen. He is truly gifted. But if I wanted to get better at it, with proper training, and PRACTICE, I could improve.

    I just happen to believe that once you understand how, and why, the swinging motion produces extraordinary results with MINIMAL effort, you will wonder why it took you so long to find out about it. Opps, I'm starting to sound like Surge's comments now. No plagarism implied, YOUR SURGEMAN!

    You will be able to hit straighter shots as if it was magic, and with very little effort. But the best thing is, and I think NinerMike eluded to this, you can lay off for a couple of weeks, come back out to the course, and still "have it". Now be honest, how many of you can really say that now? Not many, I suppose. And you folks up North, who won't see green grass for another 4 months at least, how would you like to be able to do that? Man, if that doesn't give the real testimonial to the theory, I really am at a loss as to how to convince you.

    Heck, give it a try, and you'll see that it is not a alternate to Surge's teachings. It is very much a compliment to them. And that is meant in both ways, Surge!
  • I really do agree with Norm Crerar and his comments abut needing more demonstrations of the "swing" which we paid 80.00 to learn. It would be nice to see more slow motion from different angles and different people using the "swing" like women, seniors, and kids. Visualization is a huge part of learning something new and these dvd's didn't provide that for me. Having Don explaining different phases of the swing while other golfers or himself or his son demonstrate would be great. I understand the ideas of what Don is trying to to convey. 'In the Catchers Mitt and Up the Tree', I would like to see the catchers mitt position and the where that tree is I'm supposed to be going up, or possibly some side by side slow motion comparisons of Dons' swing vs. big shoulder turn swings and how the hands,arms and shoulders move through their respective swings so we can understand the differences of how each works or doesn't work.

    Lots of general advice and theory , how about lots of video and detailed instruction to go along with.

    Robert

    orlando
  • Anson Galyon
    I believe it is the same person. Who is Ninermike anyway, and who made him the chief cook and bottlewasher.

    If it is DJ using a pseudonym, okay. Otherwise, leave the instruction to the Surge, please.
  • Jim D.
    RESPONSE TO NINERMIKE:

    Re my note regarding Warren's note. You state: "You have totally and completely misinterpreted the message by Warren." And I always believed that I knew how to read. I wonder how I ever made Law Review at UCLA Law School.

    Warren had stated in part: "Forget about shifting the weight back to the right side, pulling down with the left hand to start the downswing, transfering you (sic) weight back to the right side, turning your shoulders etc. etc. etc."

    I am a scratch golfer. I frankly begin my downswing by the movement of my left hip and believe that is what most scratch golfers and pros do so would agree that "pulling down with the left hand to start the downswing" is perhaps not the best approach. However, as to his other statements re what should be "forgotten" I could not disagree more. They are the basics of the good golf swing.

    Consequently, I take umbrage with your telling me that I totally and completely misinterpreted Warren's note. The last thing I need in my life is a lecture from you. If Warren disagrees with my assessment of his note let him speak. I don't believe that he needs you to intrepret for him.
  • Anson Galyon
    I can certainly understand why all references to the "Ernest Jones" book were eliminated.

    Surge is trying to teach a completely different swing concept from that described in a book written in the 1920's when golfers used hickory shafted mashies and niblicks and a 200 yard drive brought screams of delight.

    Yes, I spent most of the night reading the online version, and if there ever was a contridiction to what Surge is teaching, it is this book. By the way, it was not written by Jones, but about Jones, and his method of swinging a golf club. Based on the photos in the book, the swing of that day and that equipment would be laughed at today, even by the high handicapper.

    Just a couple of key contridictions: The Jone grip was mostly in the thumbs and forefingers of the hands with the other fingers loosly hanging on. It was a very wristy swing, in all likelyhood the same as the flip or flick of the ball that causes much consternation today. Read Surges lessons on grip and firm wrists for the contridiction.

    Also, Jones used and promoted a very roundhouse swing with the club barely getting above the shoulders on the backswing and not much above the beltline on the forward swing. Constrast Surge's up-a-tree, straight up club shaft and the T-finish.

    If you want to redicule Surge and his way of teaching, feel free, but before you do, study his methods and give them a try before casting aspersions.

    That goes for you, too, Warren.
  • Tom Kelly
    The Ernst Jones book "Swing the Clubhead" is my bible. I go back to it whenever my swing stops being a swing. What I didn't realise until I discovered this site is that a true swing does not have to be a "full" swing. In fact a three quarter swing lets you feel the clubhead all the way through.
  • John Matthews
    Where have the posts with the free web sites for the Jones book goneand why?JM
  • I noticed Alan made a comment about swinging the club and not hitting at the ball. I would like to add that instead of swinging the club swing your hands or the handle of the club. Many amateurs swing the club head. This keeps their grip to tight and never allows the club to work correctly. The ball will go where you swing your hands. http://www.aboutjuniorgolf.com
  • Jim D.
    RE WARREN'S LETTER:

    He does not seem to think much of Ben Hogan. However, most of the players on the PGA tour use the basic principles espoused by Hogan. He further states "forget shifting of weight and turning shoulders" etc. I have never met a good golfer who does NOT shift his weight or turn his shoulders etc. His theory seems to basically be: "Just go out and hit the ball." I can stand at the practice tee and see about 50 wannabe golfers doing this and what I am seeing is most of those 50 players slicing, hooking or topping the ball etc. ad nauseum. The pros on tour, who are obviously playing for big bucks, work endlessly with their own teachers on the details of the swing which Warren seems to believe are much ado about nothing. The ARE successful pros on the tour because they ardously work on each and every one of these details in the swing. There is more to the successful swing than just go out and hit the ball.
  • Bruce
    I already hit the ball pretty good (2hdcp), but when I play tournaments I have a tendency to start pushing and blocking or hitting a nasty little snap hook. This was caused by getting (swinging) inside my toe line and swinging around my body. Just by getting my plane more vertical (palms vertical to the ground) and swinging a "lighter club" I've started "piping it" pretty consistently, all with much less effort. And after playing my back doesn't hurt, so I can go to the range if I want. Another benefit is that this is a low-maintenance swing so I don't need to spend a lot of time on the range, even though I love to pound balls. Now I can really concentrate on different shots and am spending more time on and around the practice green.

    I firmly believe that there ain't no silver bullet to this game and like Warren says, "you gotta earn it." PPGS is simply a better tool to get the job done. It's up to the individual to read the directions and learn how to use it.

    Bruce
  • Bruce
    was turned on to Ernest Jones 10 years ago. Went to a school in florida to learn how to swing the clubhead, which is run by a man named Arnie Frankel. he studied under Ernest for 12 years when Ernest was head pro at Lake Success golf club on Long Island New York. All I can say is that this is the only way to swing the golf club. All this other stuff that is being taught today is nothing but a bunch of crap. Though I must warn you, Arnie stressed this to me alot, this method cannot be deviated from. There is no adding anything or taking away anything, it must be taught in its pure form. there are many so called students of Ernests but none of them teach his method in its pure form,except for Arnie. If anyone is looking to learn this swing in its pure form you can find Arnie online @ The Frankel Golf Academy. Believe me its worth the look.
  • Mike Hancock
    Surge - Warren thoughts are real interesting. One additional act you could follow up on is Norm Cryer's suggestion (5-Nov2009) about giving us all side-on and rear view video shots in both realtime and especially slo mo of the the clubs Norm suggests
    I definitely agree with his a picture's worth a thousand words
    Mike
  • Tarmo
    dig it out of the dirt!... This is as true as it gets. As says DJ in the bonus videos on lot of occasions, that "we give you the fundamentals here, but the actual feel for a particular shot must be found and developed by everybody themselves during practice... "

    So practice, practice, practice... and if you have some talent, you'll get somewhere, if not... well you know :D

    Anyways, I also like Harry's comment... that lot of the fuss around the golf is caused by the wannabe rocket scientists who actually have no talent for sports... I don't mean it in a bad way, because everybody should play golf and everybody should play and enjoy playing on their own level. However, this is why there are so many different theories of the magic golf technique, that there are just so many players, how just are not able to perform the physical coordination exercises well enough to be able to learn the game... (and to angry responses... you can tell by the bark, which dog was hit...)

    peace :D
  • LEE
    THANKS NINERMIKE....I FEEL BETTER NOW.

    AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER WHICH INCLUDED THE USE OF THE HANDS,ESPECIALLY THE RIGHT HAND IN DT'S METHOD.

    THAT IS NEW INFORMATION FOR ME EVEN THOUGH I VIEWED ALL HIS VIDEOS SEVERAL TIMES.

    THAT REMINDS ME THAT I NEVER GOT THE PDF MANUAL FROM DT. THE HANDS DETAIL MUST BE IN THERE I BET.

    HOW DO YOU GET THAT MANUAL PLEASE?
  • Timo
    To Norm and TonyBell,
    If you sign up for Inner Circle, there is videos of both, Surge and DJ hitting the ball with almost every club from SW to Driver.
    Videos are shot from behind and from face-on angles.
  • Pete
    I hurt my back every time i finished the game. why did that happened?
  • Harris
    Get a grip harry
  • Doug
    Have long wanted the type of video Norm Cregar called for.
    I've rewound and replayed the little glimpses and that is very unsatisfactory.

    I hope this is not a hold back, as intimated. Your powerful sales machine
    doesn't need a new teaser. Some new material for those of us who
    subscribe would be welcome and enhance our ability to use the PPGS.

    Cordially, Doug
  • john trude
    Bugger, Amazon just sent me the book.
  • Tim
    Guys, and 'Surge',

    I think Warren has finally hit the nail on the head (or, put the club head squarely on the ball, for you guys that like things put into golf terms). I've been working on the PPGS for a little while, now, and the lights finally all came on a week or so ago, while I was hitting pratice balls. Ihope I can sum this up without a lot of useless rambling, so, here goes. I thought I was doing pretty good, but, I couldn't seem to keep from slicing the driver and pulling the irons. I worked on alignment, grip, ball position, setup, shoulder turn, backswing, downswing, you name it. That was apparently the problem. After getting frustrated on the pratice tees, I just threw it all out the window and started over. After going through a number of pratice swings following the PPGS rules, I addressed the ball, put the club in the catcher's mitt, took it up the tree, let it FALL out of the tree back into to the mitt; and, "skipped the rock" from the cather's mitt through the the original address position (all while keeping the nose on/at the ball) and up to the "T" finish. In short, it worked. And, I didn't have to intentionally move, shift, twist, or rotate anything. I just put the club where it's suppose to be, and, all those other peices fell into place without having to think about it. The point I want to make out of all this is that the "KISS" method seems to be the key. Reading the postings over the past few months, I've seen all sorts of questions. "Exactly how far apart should I have my feet?" "Exactly how far out should I turn my toes out?" "How far should my shoulder's be turned at the top of the backswing?" And even today, "How far should my hips be turned at impact?" 'Surge' has already given you the guidelines for the setup. From there, just put the club where it's supposed to be, and the rest will follow. As for the guy who had the question about whether he should wear sneakers instead of cleats at the at the practice range because of the height difference - way too much thinking.
  • jimsha
    lets face it, golf is a simple game that requires an enormous amount of work. Most people either cannot or will not invest the time needed to be proficient at it. That's why the sale of golf related "training aids", often just silly gimmicks, is a billion dollar a year business. And although it takes a tremendous amount of work to be good, it really isn't physically demanding. what is required is a dedication to the disciplne of the mind and body, which I believe, again , not to many have the time or desire to invest. So if you want to be good, break it down to the basics, yes start all over if need be, with a renewed zeal and determination. you certainly will be pleasently surprized!
  • LEE
    First of all DT, thanks for sharing the right on and representative comments and hopes of all us AMATUER golfers as scribed by Warren.

    Oh the humanity, and toil of we who are not PROS but want to be. Warren has clearly been there and has the verbal skills to express it too.

    Now here is the rub. If what Warren says is true, where is the hope that we all seek?. If we can't get the TRUE answer from good folks like DT, where does that leave us? Is it still "in the dirt".

    Maybe Warren and Hogan are right afterall. I had so hoped it wasn't going to be that difficult. What do you think DT?
  • Jerry M
    Thanks to Tomn for the link to the Ernst Jones book. I bought it a long time ago and cannot find it now. Thanks again.

    Grace and Peace,
    Jerry M
  • Don

    I have enjoyed your daily e-mails and not belonging to a golf club at the moment I spend many hours on the local driving range trying to engrain your ideas into my swing.

    One of my faults has been bending my left arm in the backswing and after striking the ball in the follow through.

    I have been working a lot recently on a one piece take away and the other night I had a sort of eureka moment.

    At the start of the backswing takeaway just have one thought to concentrate keeping the upper arms at the same distance apart throughout the swing. Just doing this gives amazing results.

    Just try it yourself.

    Regards

    Paul Pearson
  • Shamim ara Sadeque
    I am playing golf for three years.I practise golf in driving range often regular.But couldnot make my distance more.How can I get answer of my question here.
  • Rick Vincent
    Don, I have been reading the daily tips and posts for about 2 months and Norm and Tony both have a valid point(although I don't think you are holding anything back) . As Norm points out, As adults we tend to let our left brain (the analytical side) control our attempts to aquire or refine movement patterns. This is fine when done in a controled environment as when working with a coach on the range, but most athletes try to think their way through full speed movement which creates the "paralysis of analysis". After reading your story about the prisoner of war who played golf in his mind I responded and listed my company's website . I received numerous emails though my site from your bloggers interested in a product similar to what norm describes. I have been given your brother's phone# and he gave me the E-mail address of your partner and I have not heard back . Your readers obviously are interested in getting a product for use as a model of your swing. I would love to discuss the possibilities of working with you to develope a neuromuscular training product. This post is not for the blog but for Don .
  • Anthony Newgent
    Surge

    Does DJ Fade and Draw the ball? I am at that level now and the PPS works great for this, just wondering if DJ works the ball or just trying to hit straight..

    Thanks
  • @Tomn,
    Thanks for the link to the Jones book pdf. I downloaded it for free (gotta love free) and will read it this weekend and see if it makes as much sense as 9er and Warren seem to think.

    Surge, I have to assume that you agree with the Jones philosophy since you posted it here. If so, I'll give a try.

    Ed
  • Ramon
    For those of you who are curious about Ernest Jones’s book “Swing the Clubhead”; I found the following website (P.S. I just received my copy of the book from Amazon this morning):-

    http://chestofbooks.com/sports/golf/Ernest-Jone...

    Go to "Chapter II. The Grip". Read how Ernest tells you how to grip the club and recollect what The Surge is saying about how to grip the club. Clue. Pay attention to which fingers are dominant.

    Don,

    Are the differences important? Should we care?
  • harry
    thats more like it, a bit of life from the sport of the walking dead, I love golf, it creates equality out of mediocrity, I wouldnt have it any other way, we should have a mass debaters tournament, all the different theories and styles and ideas in battle over 4 days, the losers have to convert to the winners method
  • Connie Henderson
    Just wanted to let you know how using the DVDs has helped my game. I had a round with 7 pars and a birdie! The front nine was awful, but the back nine was a 39, 3 over par! The next day I broke 90 for the first time with 4 pars and a lot of bogies. I've been shooting in the low 100s for quite time with some 90s occasionally. My problem know is learning how far I'm hitting my clubs. My distance is longer and my ball flight is straighter.

    Thanks for the lessons.
  • Jim Garvey
    I just had a "tune up lesson" from my local golf instructor. He said "Jim, loosen up", get back in balance, don't grip so tight. It works, after 20 minurtes of instruction, he walked away and said go play golf, you look good.
  • Merry
    Hey Guys ~ I just want you all to know that I just had a lengthy, one on one lesson with Don on Monday. I took up golf about 15 years ago, more recently tried a one plane swing for the past couple years. It was SUPPOSED to be better for my back, but certainly wasn't. My game was suffering so I finally got fed up, searched the web, found Don's website and immediately changed my swing. I quickly went from a 12 to a 10 handicap. However, recently have slipped back to my old swing path and problems.....and that's why I went to the Surge. It really was a great lesson, I understand the concept so much better now.....I wasn't near vertical enough and my backswing was far to big..... and just played my first round following the lesson and shot 43 front, 38 back.
    Now for my question.....exactly what position are your HIPS supposed to be in at IMPACT? If not square, how open should they be?

    Thanks in advance for your response,
    Merry
  • JakeofClubs
    Up yours Harry. There is nothing wrong with poeple that are intellegent trying to play a sport. Just because we can't compete at a high level in other sports doesn't mean you have to nail us in golf as well. When I was in college I worked for a big company as a lab tech and we had a big division wide tourney that was Lab V Sales/Marketing V Eng/MFG. Clearly the S/M had the best team but the others had some players. The division VP had about a 16 and played with a Sales VP and me from the lab. The guy shoots a 78 and kicks my 16 (at the time) shooting ass out of the water. The sales VP was kissing his ass the whole way around and never made much of an effort and then there was me. Why did the lab guy who set up the teams put a stupid college lab tech with the big time Division VP (OF A FORTUNE 250 COMPANY)? Because he wanted to play to win and not have to kiss ass for 18 holes. He didn't care if I shot my mouth off because I was part time. So yeah, he may be a guy who sucked at sports in HS but he's the boss now.
  • Dale Hixson
    Amen NinerMIke!! Concerning Harry.........Many years ago my uncle "Jimmy" had me at his home for the entire summer. The first thig he noticed was my propensity to criticize others. He pounded a rule into me that I try to live by to this day. "DON'T TAKE YOURSELF SO SERIOUSLY!!!" Perhaps Harry can take something from this. I mean if you are good enough to keep worrying about the pace of play maybe you should be on the TOUR??????????
  • Tony Bell
    Re: Post from Norm Crera November 5th

    I have been reading the Surge's website and am inspired to work on my game and seek the consitency that my game needs to improve my scoring (Hcap 17).

    I totally agree with Norm - more pictures and video would really help. From other posts I have read, the DVD's still don't give enough visual information - which is why I have not bought them - aside from not being sure I can order them from the UK.

    Everyone has to make a living, but I can't help feeling that the Surge is holding back deliberately in order to make a buck or two.

    Surge - why the lack of visual help ?
  • Colin Williams
    I'm a 20-handicapper, play 3 times each week and wish consistency was part of my game. It isn't.
    I have been following your Surge tips for a couple of months and as a result knocked 1.2 off my handicap last week - not great but satisfying. However, my performance graph swings sharply up and down.

    Now Don, bearing in mind that time (I'm 70) and temperament aren't on my side, have you any easy-to-follow tips on how to flatten out that graph ? It's your chance to make an older man happy.

    Colin Williams
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