Friday, July 30, 2010

We Fit DJ’s Irons

During DJ’s club fitting, we found that his shafts were close but there was something better. I have always had a Surgism for the term close. “Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and atomic warfare,” If you want to be the best at anything you do, you need to be spot on. In golf that means “spot on” with your swing and your golf clubs.

With the woods settled, we turned to checking out DJ’s irons. My concern with the irons was that they were too stiff, which is just the opposite I had suspected with his woods. I thought they were too soft or flexible. So our club fitter, Chip, had DJ start out hitting his 3 iron. After around 10 hits, he said things looked good and had him change to his 5 iron. After around the 5th shot, he stopped and had all of us come over and look at the screen and pointed to the box that listed the data results of all the shots. He said that the last 5 shots were all within around the exact same speed, and within 1 to 3 yards the same distance, and would all be inside the leather, 3 feet or closer. He said that all the other clubs were really close but these numbers were unbelievably close. He then pointed to the graph that shows the flight in different colored lines for each ball. He noted that all the lines were virtually the same, laid on top of each other exactly the same in all aspects. He added that that was some unbelievably pure and consistent ball striking and ball flight.

Since we were filming this club fitting to put on the PPGS site, I interjected a comment to back up Chip’s observations and the consistency of DJ’s ball striking. In the mid-90s I participated in a biomechanical study that was used as a master’s thesis in biomechanics titled, “The effect of a Shortening of a Full Golf Backswing on Club Head Velocity at Ball Impact,” by G. Trevor Neighbors. That study measured the club head speed at impact of golfers who swung to parallel and longer. Then, after instruction in the PPGS ¾ backswing, the golfers were re-tested to determine their club head speed with the ¾ backswing. Conventional golf instruction says that a ¾ swing will loose club head speed and thus hit the ball shorter. The study showed the exact opposite. The ¾ swing was in fact faster, and even if the parallel/longer swing and ¾ swings were the same speed at impact, the parallel/longer swing was in negative acceleration at impact and the ¾ swing was in positive acceleration as good impact requires.

The other big issue the thesis showed was that in all the golfers in the study (they had single digit handicaps to some in the twenties), the deviation in club head speed of the golfers with their long swing as compared to their brand new shorter PPGS ¾ backswings “decreased.” And it decreased by a whopping “73 percent.” This is important as the closer you swing every club to the same speed, the more consistently you hit it the same length, which is a major part of good ball striking. The swing monitor data of the ball flight distance and club head speeds that DJ just produced with the 5 iron were absolute proof of the efficiency and consistency of the PPGS.

We finished off hitting some 7 irons and then we wanted to test the wedges. We couldn’t get good readings as the balls launched too fast out of the receptive area that the monitor could capture data. With the hitting done, we all then went into the work shop area and Chip began checking the stats of length, lie, loft, shaft flex and swing weight on both DJ’s playing set and his back-up set. This took around 20 minutes. When the results were in, Chip was really impressed with the consistency and accuracy between both sets of clubs as they were close to identical in all aspects. But he was disturbed about one spec that again, being the same on both sets, he felt was not a mistake and needed to be corrected.

He showed us in his notes that the wedges thru 6 irons had four degrees of loft between them which is good. But the 5, 4 and 3 iron only had two degrees difference, which was not good as they would not produce the same distance spread as the lower clubs. As soon as Chip said that, DJ and I knew exactly why that was the case. A few years ago DJ made the decision to put a 64 degree lob wedge in his bag. Since he had already added a 5 wood, he had to make a choice and get rid of a club to be legal at 14 clubs. The 3 iron was the one to head to the sidelines and the closet. Since he now lost his 3 iron, I suggested that to help fill the distance gap between his 4 iron and 5 wood he should bump up his 4 and 5 irons 1 to 2 degrees. That is why the long irons were only 2 degrees difference between them and needed changing.

I wasn’t in favor of the 64 degree sand wedge at the loss of his 3 iron and pitched my plea to DJ that he is too good a long iron player to shelve his 3 iron. On the other side of the coin, with all the high rough in close to the greens on the PGA Tour these days, an extra lofted lob/sand wedge could be good. The answer was to try it and see if the wedge was a better club in the bag than the 3 iron. The key was to keep stats and see if it was used more and saved more shots than the 3 iron. Logic would say the wedge would be used more and thus be the more valuable club. Practicality might say differently as I said he could keep the 3 iron and not need the 64 degree lob wedge if he split the difference and bumped up his 58 degree sand wedge a few degrees to 60 or 61 degrees. This way he has a more lofted sand/lob wedge and can keep the 3 iron in the bag (a good trade off for having a more lofted sand wedge and still having his 3 iron) for those long par four holes and for driving on super tight holes as DJ can hit a good 3 iron with roll out over 250 yards.

Well, about a month ago, DJ bumped up his 58 degree sand wedge to 60 degrees and put the 3 iron back into the bag. Since the 64 degree lob wedge was out and his 58 degree sand wedge was already bumped up to 60 degrees, and the 3 iron was back in, the 3, 4 and 5 irons had to be bumped/bent back to their standard 4 loft gap, which Chip did in 5 minutes, changing both the gamer set and the back-up set.

As for the flex of the shafts in the irons, Chip was confident they were all right on the money and correct for DJ. DJ had just changed from Project X 6.5 shafts to True Temper Sensicore X – 100 shafts as he liked the softer feel. Now he and I were confident they were right for him.

So, with both sets of irons checked, changed and corrected, the fitting was over. We left with renewed confidence.

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  • jack stephenson
    Hey Pro, after 7 videos I decided to try your swing concept of straight back and straight thru and was pleasantly surprised. 1 question--- Dont grasp the put it in the catchers mit, could you pls expand on that for me???? Thanks much. Jack S
  • Conlin
    Don, what do you think about MOI matching? I used to swingweight match my clubs to the one who's swingweight I hit best. Now I read an article that says if you MOI match your clubs you have an advantage over swingweight matching because your ideal MOI is the one that allows you to swing each club best. What really confuses me the most is that if you MOI match your clubs. each one will have a different swingweight. Your thoughts please!
  • Conlin,

    I have never and I mean never ever even know my swing weights. Every set I get I go to teh range and hit them and put lead tape on them until each club swings and feels and the ball flies like I want to see. Every club has different amounts of weight and in different places and some may have none. So, I guess you could say I match my clubs by MOI and as such I guess as you ask what I think about MOI? I guess I like it.

    Don
  • Malcolm mcGreevy
    I have been recieving all your emails and reading them. I come from Hill Valley Golf Club in the UK. Ian Woosman old club and Sandy Lyle were they became Pros. I hit all my iroins with a last 5% fade into the flag on the green. I am right handed player my 3 wood i hit aslong as my driver, but its straight same with my 5 wood, but when i come to my Driver i get a big fade some say a power fade. I can control the amount of fade on a fairway that needs a big fade, but i cant get the shot to be straight when i need it and the fade is to big. I play of 15, but people and a few pros say get the driver right and i should be a scratch player as all my loss shots come when i hit my driver.

    any help would be gratefull
  • ctjoe
    To J. Cronin: Go to a cut and glue guy. There seems to a lot of them floating around. There's a hell of a lot more to clubfitting that meets the eye.
  • J. Cronin
    Hey Don,

    I was curious if you knew of a cost effective way to get your clubs fitted?

    ... Most places I have spoken with are in the area of $250 in labor alone.
  • ctjoe
    A.good clubmaker/fitter should make up some demo clubs that closely fits your spec's and take you out to a range to observe your ball flight and other tendencies that you may have. Hitting into a net or screen tells you nothing.
  • Mike Adams
    Hi Surge

    Am enjoying your program. I don't think I have got Up the Tree quite right but am sure enjoying Pop Tart. I signed up for the manual and it is very helpful.

    But I also signed up for 10 lessons and only received the first 3. Can you help?

    Thanks for sharing your golfing knowledge.

    Mike Adams
  • Ronald Izumita
    I have been playing with the ppgs for about two weeks. I have found that the longer the club length, the shorter the improvement in distance. In general I am more accurate, I also found that skipping the rock feel did improve my driver distance. At 71 I can't be too optimistic in getting back to the distances of 10-15 years ago. I went out and played a short executive course with 5 par 4's and 2 par 3,s of 210 to 220 yds this past week and was a lot more accurate but not longer. It kills me to be 70-100 yds shorter than the youner guys. Any suggestions for upping my length?
  • Ronald,

    The problem with aging is were getting older, weaker and slower, all adding up to losing distance. I am still hanging in 50 to 60 or more yards behind DJ's drives and need 1 to 2 irons more on the same distance shots. I know 1 thing for for certain when I play with DJ is that on every drive I am hitting first to the green and on every tee I am always hitting second as he always gets there first and hits as we play "Ready Golf" as his steps are one and half or more than mine and and he is faster.

    We all have to accept our age and limitations and know that the answer to shorter is hitting it more consistent, solid and straighter and we need to become wizards around the green in our short games. Lastly. we also need to play the appropriate forward tees for our skill level and strength to enjoy the game.

    The key is not to get frustrated, accept it and the challenge to become the golfer everyone admires and wished they could be because you hit it straight down the middle and up on the green and chip and putt the dimples off the ball.

    Don
  • Randall
    I just got off the telephone with a local clubfitter, discussing the process he would go through to fit my irons to me. Right off the bat, it is going to be 100 dollars, and that is before any tweaking begins. To reshaft the clubs with the determined correct shaft will be 50 dollars per club, plus the cost of the materials (I assume he will make a little on this too), bringing the total to around 80 or 90 dollars per club. this does not inlcude the driver, or any woods, and the totals for the driver were a bit higher. So, if I carry 4-sw, that gives me 9 irons at 85 (a rough estimate) per club. So I am looking at about 750 dollars plus the 100 initial, making my total 850 dollars just for the irons - not to mention the woods and a hybrid or two. I'm looking at around 1300 -1400 dollars to have my clubs fitted to me.

    I don't know, it sounds a bit steep to save 2 or 3 strokes. Maybe I'm too cheap.
  • Randall,

    Most club fitters I know and have dealt with will discount or eliminate the fitting fee if one re-shafts a whole set or builds a whole set of woods or irons. Many times they can do a quick swing speed check especially for a driver to get a good feel for a players flex,which should not cost that much. I would suggest checking with other fitters in your area to see what their fee schedules are and I am sure you will find one or more with lower rates. Lastly, if you can afford some fitting start with the driver and fairway woods or any club that is really causing you problems and then work on the others as needed.

    Don
  • mike
    Surge, I also am wondering about single length iron set. I know a lot of golfers have a favorite iron or can hit their short irons with a lot of accuracy and consistancy, so why would these work better than the today GRAND GOLF SET MAKEUP OF TODAY'S GOLF WORLD WITH THE TYPICAL 1-2 IN CHANGE OF LENGTH. I have been a club maker for the last 15 years, built about 30 sets of irons for friends only, more as a way to learn more about eqipment than anythink else, so I am not an expert club maker, but very knowlegable, with quit a bit of equpment. I have played about a 6 month period in my past with irons only and was playing to a 2 handicap at that time, about 3 years ago, and just do not know why I ever went back to woods. I find when I play with the standard set of irons and woods with driver, with the longer club, I loose my balance a few swings and end up with double bogies with being in trouble with longer wood clubs. My thought is to have a set of irons, in my case about an 8 iron length throughout the set, from sw - 4 iron. thanks for you help on this one.
  • Mike,

    I was approached around 15 years ago by a PGA Pro/club builder that built a single length set of irons with the statement that they would be easier to hit and more solid, straight and longer. He hit the mark on everything but the longer. The clubs that were shorter than normal/stabdard length mainly teh 7 iron thru 2 iron even with less loft had extreme loss of distance than the standard length. I believe that the physics of centrifugal force, an object swinging on the end of a string (a golf club head on the end of a shaft) goes faster the farther/longer the string gets as long as we can control it and swing it faster. The one club length sound great, but my experience with it did not work and failed miserably and I know for a fact that this pro/fitter had no success selling his clubs as they did look good but did not deliver on distance. And, from what I know about physics, the concept does not pass the taste test. I will check with my physics mentor and get his opinion on this and maybe write a daily article on his comments.

    Don
  • Dan
    Just because DJ hit his 5 iron consistently doesn't "prove" anything. I do subscribe to your techniques and science. Let the facts suggest that there is a strong correlation , but not "proof" that the 3/4 swing is the answer. Maybe DJ was just in the groove that day. You would need 30+ golfers, and an incredibly large study to show a>95% correlation between the 3/4 swing and consistent hitting, statistically. From another DJ.
  • Dan,

    I have done a larger Study that was done as a Master's thesis in Biomechanics and it showed that the 3/4 swing versus a parallel and longer swing was the same speed or increased speed than the longer swings at impact. And, even if the speed was the same at impact, the longer swing was negative acceleration at impact and the 3/4 swing was in in positive acceleration which as physics states is needed for optimum impact. This same study showed (I learned from this stuidy scientist never use PROVE only shows or demonstrates) that all the golfers from single digit to +20 handicaps had their deviation in club head speed improved by 73 %. Less deviation in club head speed means more consistently swinging and hitting each club closer to the same speed and thus distance which is good and certainly one heck of an improvement in consistency and not just being on or in the groove that day.

    Yes, I believe like you that we should and must rely on science and that is the foundation of the PPGS as I deal in facts not opinion, supposition speculation and trial and error. I have entered into an agreement with a PHD in biomechanics and human Physiology to do another study testing the PPGS against the rotational and parallel or longer swing that will include not only club swing speeds data but also record the turn and movement of the body,arms and club, muscle activity of most of the major muscle groups including the stress on the muscles and other factors of body movement and balance. We hope to get this done before the end of the year and have the data analyzed and compared for release early next year.

    Don
  • Omar Barajas
    I have been swinging with the peak performance golf swing with good results. However I recently have been hitting a lot of fat shots especially with my short irons. I have been implementing the 5th secret and tried to do everything correctly but still i keep hitting fatties. What are common causes for fat shots?
  • Bill Williams
    Hi Surge,

    I have been trying to learn the PPGS for about two months, and I can finally see some improvement in my swing. I don't think my flat learning curve is due to any difficulty posed by the PPSG or your DVDs, however I do think that I, as well as many other golfers, would learn best by visually seeing the full swing in slow motion and real time. In todays blog you said that DJ's fitting was being filmed for the PPSG site. My question is when can we expect to see the full swing videos on site? I am really looking forward to seeing the correct PPSG swing.

    Thanks, Bill
  • Seiji
    Don, what do you think about the single length iron set... the ones with all shafts being the same length, but different loft? This would make it easier to swing each club with the same speed. Usually, the longer the club, the fast the club head speed due to the length of the arc.
  • Ira Einsohn
    #1. Does anyone teach your method in the Dallas area? I'm making progress using your method with my irons (not the woods so much yet), but would like someone to watch and teach.
    #2 Who is the best club fitter in the Dallas area?
  • Bob Chipps
    Don, if you never accomplish anything else you have certainly done us all a service with your emails on DJ's club fitting experience. It was like removing the blinders from my eyes. I was licking my chops waiting for your next segments. I have gotten so fed up with my play that I'm ready to s--t-can the whole bag. When I do, any new set will come after a good session with a reputable club fitter. Thanks!
  • John Collins
    Surge,

    I have modified my grip and now setting up the left hand and thumb going straight down the shaft. I have eliminated the hard draw and have a straight to soft cut. I do need 1 more iron though as it seems the distance is off a tad and the shots are missing the center of the club ( I can feel this in the grip as I use AP-2's)...is there somethine else i need to work on to regain the distance and hit the center of the face?...perhaps just hit some balls and let the body work it out?

    Regards
    JC
  • Don't trust just any club maker with a video camera and a computer to fit you for clubs. Like Surge and DJ find the best in your area. http://www.aboutjuniorgolf.com
  • Richard Jones
    Hi Don,

    How do you feel about golf club spine alignment? Wiil the player notice a difference when he or she stikes the ball?
  • Robin Courter
    I requested the free 10 tips last week and so far I am really excited with your ability to communicate to the average golfer like me (16 handicap). I just received tip #5 today. Somehow I missed tip #3 and was wondering if it could be resent?

    I have some other questions but I will send a seperate email later.

    Thanks for sharing your love of the game.....
  • Mark C Mischenko
    As a 'has-been jock' with various physical conditions/issues developed over 60+ years -- shoulders, neck, back, knees, ankles, feet & elbow, etc. -- I'm looking forward to working with a program that eliminate/reducesthe various aches & pains; as well as one that provides a basis for golf performance consistency.Currently, my GHIN is 11.4 ... Began playing about 15-years ago [when 3 of my sons started playing in high school],seriously 4-years ago. I'm self-taught -- books, magazines, articles, programs (Moe Norman's 'Natural Golf', Jim Hardy's '1/2-Plane Swing'.A.J. Bonar's 'The Truth'), and a few lessons with a local instructor. I've not broken-80, and have broken-40 only twice. I want to get into single digits on a consistent basis (my sons are mid-high single digit, & self-taught as well). Given the conflicting commentary/instruction in all the golf book/magazine publications, I'm looking for a method/program that is easy to understand & implement ... And one I won't tinker with!Joined a local municipal-club last year ... 60+ rounds the last 2-years; moved to the 'whites-72.4/132' this year.Club fitting for all but the 'putter'; in the bag: D-11'(240-250), 3W-15'(220-230), 3-4-5-6 hybrids (firm), 7-LW (unisteel) -- changed to stiff-woods this season which tightened dispersion, (based on course, pull the 3H& replace with 6I).I see the major issue/problem is consistency [although my sons see it as "Dad, you've got a 's--ty swing'].It may be 'off-the-tee, the #2/3-approach, chipping/pitching, putting -- separately, or in combination.'That said, I'm looking foreward to trying your program ...
  • MELVIN
    how do you go about finding a "good" club fitter? or is this a "one size fits all" approach?
  • Jeff Hogan
    Hey Don,

    I was wondering if you could add some tips here for determining if a clubfitter is really competent in all areas, or is just gonna cut your shafts down. I would really like to get my clubs fitted correctly, as I think my 3-wood and driver shafts are too long and soft, and the lie angle on my clubs (i think) needs to be a bit more upright. But I don't want to waste my time.

    Thanks,
    Jeff Hogan
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