Friday, July 30, 2010

Top of Backswing…3/4…No Wrist Cock

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I turned on The Golf Channel the other day and caught a short piece of a “Playing With the Pros” show featuring JB Holmes.  I had seen this show featuring JB a few times but had never watched it all.  This time I came in near the end of the show, which I had never seen, just in time to hear his Lady amateur student ask a question that perked my ears up.  And JB’s answer was music to my ears.

The question was first preceded with a statement about his having a real short, ¾ backswing and it was obvious he did not cock his wrists at the top of his backswing.  I will add that JB’s backswing is also quite vertical and close to, if not, 12:00 o’clock.  She then asked her question, “Why did he not swing to parallel and cock his wrists at the top of the backswing.”

JB’s answer was short and sweet.  He said that if he cocked his wrists he lost at least 20 yards and hit it dead right.  I can’t remember exactly what JB said but I am sure the reference was that the longer swing and wrist cock, it messed up his timing.  His shoulders likely start the transition and get ahead of the ball and that is what causes the block dead right shots.

JB went on to explain that in his transition, he starts his lower body, feeling his hips move first.  Then in order, it is his trunk, shoulders, arms, hands and club.  This is the same sequence The PPGS recommends as it starts from the ground up.   Starting the transition with a lateral forward shift or slide of the lower body is what causes the upper torso to tilt slightly backwards and thus is behind the ball to impact.

JB then went on to discuss his power level and said that he doesn’t really swing that hard anymore.  He said that in his younger years he was all about hitting it as hard as he could.  He said that back then he swung so hard both feet came off the ground.  Now he swings hard but keeps both feet on the ground.

I can attest to JB’s length as I witnessed it first hand up close.  Two years ago at the Players Championship, DJ played a practice round with JB.  I was walking side by side with both of them.  The 12th hole at TPC Sawgrass is listed on the scorecard as playing 358 yards from the championship tees.  That morning, the wind was calm and the temperature was not yet scorching hot and humid.

The 12th hole is a slight dogleg left.  It plays maybe 20 to 30 yards shorter straight lining it over the corner.  This still is at the least a 325 yard, all air carry drive to the slight elevated or pop-up  green surrounded by a number of small and deep bunkers.  The rough is always real high and thick especially around the green which, along with all the bunkers, makes rolling a ball up impossible.  The only way to hit the green is air it there all the way.  They teed it up from just about dead back on the tee.
DJ hit first and hit a 3 wood right down the middle in perfect position for a short sand wedge to the green.  JB walked up with his driver in hand and teed his ball real high as he was going for the green.  He made a powerful swing, a ¾ backswing with firm, solid, “no cocking” wrist like I believe in, swing and teach, and the ball exploded off the clubface and was launched sky high over the corner toward the green.  The few trees and the high rocks and mounds on the corner hide the green so we could not see the ball land.

We walked out to DJ’s ball and when we reached it we could see JB’s ball on the green.  I shook my head in awe as I know his ball flew all the way as there is no landing short and running the ball up onto this green.  I looked at JB and sized him up.  He doesn’t look much bigger than me and even in my best younger and stronger days, I could not have flown the ball to this green, even from the ladies tees.

JB Holmes, according to his PGA Tour Player profile is 5 feet 11 inches tall and weighs 190 pounds.  From what I just saw, JB can hit it 320 plus in the air anytime he wants.  That is super long for a guy his size.  So, it is obvious he is quite strong and can generate some serious club head speed.

After DJ hit and we were walking to the green seeing his ball sitting up on it, I asked JB if he worked out doing strength conditioning.  His comment was, “Never have and likely never will.  I have always had really fast hands.”  I can attest to it. He has really fast hands and that translates to really fast club head speed.

Using a ¾ vertical backswing with no wrist cock, JB said it all a proved that was the way to hit it longer and straighter.  Best of all he can really back up his statement as he showed us on the 12th hole that day, and you can see for yourself by following him any time he plays on the PGA Tour.

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  • Gaetan Desjardins
    For more details on JB Holmes' swing, I would like to refer you to the Golf Digest, Sept. 09 edition. JB Holmes'swing sequence is fully described on page 26, by Matt Killen, JB's swing coach.

    On the second paragraph, you can read:

    "He (JB) does something we don't see from many players" says his swing coach Matt Killen. "He doesn't cock his wrists much on the backswing. He does it during the downswing, and this creates tremendous clubhead speed because he produces so much lag and forward shaft lean before impact..."

    Now if you look at every picture of JB'swing sequence, No JB does not cock his wrists in the backswing. In fact we can see just about the 135° (forearm to club angle) at the top of the backswing... so same position as at address. But as his left forearm reaches parallel on the downswing, JB is holding the club reaching 90° angle between his left forearm and club like everyone else. This is where he creates that lag everyone uses. Without that lag, considerable distance would be lost.

    JB does not qualify as a pure PPGS swinger. But JB's wrists remain nice and flat at the way and he sure have strong and fast hands.
    gaetan
  • Greg Hynes
    Surge, I have been using your golf swing tips and I am playing my best golf tee to green.

    I don't suppose you could give me some tips on putting I am currently averaging 35 putts a round.

    I am playing to a 14 handicap and am 52 years old.

    Thanks again

    Greg.
  • Amos Terrell
    to Mark Plunkett:

    I believe that you 'problem analysis" is correct.

    Try this and see if it helps -- as you finish the "up the tree" move, try to start the forward swing with a push from the region of the Big toe-Ball of foot on your trailing foot to create the "forward bump" and start the forward swing.

    Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

    Amos
  • Mark Plunkett
    Can someone help me please with a few suggestions;
    After practising & hitting balls 3 times this week using the PPGS stance & 3/4 swing this week (hitting the golf ball very pure & straight) i played club compitition yeaterday & toward the end of my round my old swing & golf shots started to predominate again ie.weak fades & a real feeling of weight remaining on my Trail (back) side of my body (legs/hips/back shoulder)-it is my real swing & ball strike destroyer.
    My playing partner whom plays of a 4 Hcap & is a beautiful striker of a golf ball (straight balls,smooth swing with a full T finish always balanced-he hits his Driver straight 250m plus- & ive been with him when he has driven the occassional 320m Par 4 & yes we are metric in Australia) remarked to me that i should concentrate more on increasing my swing speed NOT from the beginning of my downswing (which he says is probably causing my stayling on the Trail back foot)side) but more approaching the ball & increasing thro to the finish-so i gues this means making a smooth backswing & change into the downswing with the bump increasing swing speed pre impact thro to a face?chest on (belt buckle to target) T finish.
    Is my playing partner on the right track & what would be also helpful to make me swing from the top "in sequence" as i now think my real problenm for weak fades is that i am aggressively trying to hit the shot from the top of my backswing way too early & fast with my Trail(back) hand in the downswin ie.casting??? Y/N .
    Greatly appreciate any feedback as on the weekend i am playing Penants Golf (club v club) & hoping i can improve on this..
  • Boston George
    If you close the angle of the club shaft and left hand ( for righties) on the downswing you are increasing you wrist cock.Jim Mclean did a piece on this in golf digest,using Sergio as a model.This is a very advanced move,which increases lag,but requires very fast hands to get to the proper impact position.You also have to make a lateral/rotational to the left,placing the handle even close to the target.Not a way to start out and even debatable if it's in the best interest of a pro. There is a move away from having the swing pre-set and changes taking place that can lead to great shots one time and bad the next.Plus it takes lost of practice.
  • Paul Belcher
    WOW! Don, I purchased your videos a week or so ago. I watched them all, swung a club in my basement, went to the range once, and played yesterday. I cannot believe how solidly and consistently I struck the ball. What a great feeling! I think the idea of putting the club in the catcher's mitt on the other side of the swing, completes the whole swing, and, for me, is what makes it work. Why am I just hearing about this? I've been playing golf for 30 years.
  • steve
    I was working shotlink on the par 5 ninth hole at the San Diego Open last week end when JB landed his second shot ten feet from the pin. Oh, the hole was playing 630 yards.
    Most players were landing their 3rd shot near the pin and the ball would spin back down near the front edge of the green.
    JB's eagle putt must have hit a small lip on the cup because it stopped at the hole and actually moved back a fraction. Pretty amazing golf!
  • Paul Harington
    Surge I just bought the dvds about 3 weeks ago and in the process of changing my swing from full turn horizontal to 3/4 vertical. I do not have a problem with the wedges, short and mid irons even the 5-6 irons but when I get to my hybrid,4 wood and driver it's really hard to swing the club vertical and seems the trajectory of the way to high and short. If I put a tee in the grip where should it be pointing to at the end of the 3/4 backswing? It seems the woods need a little more horizontal plane. Paul Harington
  • LEE
    TO J. GRIFFIN

    Fully understand your position on comments about Gravity Golf by David Lee.

    Again, thanks for that clear explanation of "fast hands"

    You are a fine addition to Don's website activity. Hope I can still ask you some other question in the future.

    Florida Lee
  • RALPH DEANGELIS
    AS I READ THESE GREAT POSTS ESPECIALLY THE JB HOLMES PIECE I AM HEADING OUT THE DOOR TO AN INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY TO CONTINUE LEARNING THE SURGES SWING. I WAS SO BAD THE LAST 2 YEARS THAT I BELIEVE I HAVE FOUND MY SALVATION IN THE SURGE. THANKS
  • Robert
    Great stuff, Don't forget JB used to hit draws but it got him in trouble because of the length when he started on tour now he hits a fade 300 + yards and that is his go to shot with the driver.
  • Jim Morrow
    Surge, just a note about my success with PPGS. During this time of year playing in Atlanta is hit or miss depending on the weather. This has not been a winter for playing golf with all of the rain and cold temperatures. I devote this time to developing and refining technique: putting, chipping, and ball striking.

    As mentioned in one of my previous messages, I have learned to minimize my hip turn, put the club low and into the catcher's mitt, bump my left hip, and pull down with my left hand hard as I stand up. The club literally explodes through the ball with a repeatable trajectory and great distance. I noticed that having a little more weight on the right foot (RH) allows me to look down the hitting line and drives my right shoulder down and through. My hands finish near my left ear...a vertical swing for sure. I can shape the trajectory with a slight grip change, open or closed depending on the flight I want. I can vary the height by moving the ball forward or back ever so slightly.

    This is the very best winter refining technique I have ever experienced. I have enjoyed success at my club beating the younger guys from the tips. I turned 65 last week and cannot wait for the weather to clear so I can starting playing again and get ready for our scratch tournaments. I am a PPGS swinger having converted from the Jim Hardy single plane methodology to save my back. I also played the Moe Norman swing and broke par many times. My point is that I have researched and applied several swings successfully but find the PPGS is the best from all points of discussion. Reference to the Golfing Machine above...well good luck.

    Best wishes to you and the success of PPGS. It is the very best swing technology I've ever found good back or otherwise. My plan now is to stop tinkering and start refining. Have a great year and thank you.

    Jim
  • Lee,

    I'm glad the explanation helped. As far as my opinion of Gravity Golf, I'll just say that I don't like to offer opinions of other systems. First, I'm not as versed in them as I am in the PPGS or traditional rotary swings. Second, it would be like going on GMs website and discussing Ford products. I will say this about the PPGS system and you can infer what you will regarding other systems. The PPGS system is the only one that is in complete harmony with the laws of phyics and puts the least amount of stress on the body.
  • Rod,
    Hope you're hungry. It was called a par three in the email blast that was sent out. Try some ketchup. It makes it more palatable.

    Just having some fun with ya brudder! Hope you know that!
  • LEE
    TO J. GRIFFIN.

    THANKS SO FOR THAT "FAST HANDS" EXPLANATION.

    MY GOLF BUDDY IS AN EX-MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER (MINNESOTA TWINS) AND WHEN I ASK HIM HOW HE HITS HIS LONG DRIVES AND IRONS, HE HAS ALWAYS JUST SAID, "I HAVE ALWAYS HAD FAST HANDS, AT BAT OR PLAYING GOLF"

    COULDN'T GET HIM TO SAY WHAT THAT WAS HOWEVER. THANKS AGAIN.

    MAY I ALSO ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT DAVID LEE'S GRAVITY GOLF METHOD?

    FLORIDA LEE
  • David Morgan
    That's the longest par 3 I've ever heard of!
  • Rod
    I just love this place
  • Rod
    Just got to get my two cents in here.

    Don does not mention 3, 4 or even 5 par, and at the bottom of his blog you can listen to the recording of his blog.

    Find 3, 4 or 5 in it and I will eat the paper!

    Rod
  • Gaetan Desjardins
    Sir Griffin,

    I really like your answer on your definition of 'fast hands' above.

    "5. Fast hands means holding the angle created at the top of the back swing between the shaft and forearm until the last possible moment then rotating the right forearm through impact to create a “whip” like effect that increases the club head speed."

    A couple days ago I have sent Don a special mail on this same subject. I have discovered that by swinging my hands close to my body (so that my hands pass by their address position), I was able to accelerate the club head significantly and get rid of the weak fade or slice. By swinging my hands that way (insteaqd of away from my body as it is the tendency, the club head has to naturally accelerate as it has to travel faster over a half circle (ovverhead view) to reach the ball and catch up with my hands at impact. I can hear the 'whip' generated and actually I have gained back my lost distance I had been complaining about with PPGS so far.

    Try this, it is amazing!
    Gaetan
  • JohnOB
    Regarding "swinging through" and not "hitting at" the ball in the downswing as was mentioned in a recent posting, I find it helpful to visualise having "a little curtain about 12 inches long" hanging vertically immediately in front of the ball ie: ---------o exactly on the target line.

    I then visualise "ripping" this curtain out of the path of the ball. I find it helps me greatly in accellerating "through and after the ball", and also helps as a "line of flight image".

    Why not give it a try!!! or better still post other images etc. for this controversial element of the golf swing.

    JohnOB
  • Stretch,
    Pings came be that upright. Any forged club can be that upright. You can also get clubs built that are made of soft grade steel such as 1020, 304, or 431. Most OEM brands only offer +/- 2*.

    #5. Regarding this explanation. The angle is held for as long as possible. The rotation is what creates the speed. Rotate and break early, you will not have any speed. Of course, if you swing the arms faster and rotate fast, you will increase club head speed which equates to distance.
  • Stretch C
    Yo J Griffin. Point 2, if you can fly it to the green it is a par 3 no matter the length. The same for a hole that can be reached in two. 550, a drive and a hybrid for some, it is a par 4. Many touring pros play courses that have no par 5s and par is 68. Point 5, I remember the Surge saying that speed through the ball was how quick the forearms could rotate the club into the forward mitt before going up the tree to the finish. The hands would feel fast even as the forearms are moving them through the ball and into the mitt. Need more distance? Increase the arm speed!

    On an unrelated point about club fitting, I am looking to get a set of irons with 4 degrees of physical bend upright and +1" added to the length. 5-PW, GW, SW and LW. Any recomendations of brands that will bend that far and not have a tendency to rebound to standard? Thx
  • Here is the Ben Hogan video I mentioned but forgot to include in the last post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0VMemYNI&...
  • Was looking at that great youtube video posted by Frankm and it explained the no-wrist-cock plus the lower body sequence very well as a source of power. This is instead of a "timing" move where you time the unhinging of the wrist to square up the clubface. Much more consistent the way The Surge and JB Holmes illustrate it.

    Here is another related video from my favorite golfer of all time, Ben Hogan. He explains the sequence of lower + upper as well, and of course does a few swings. He was truly a master.

    BTW - I hit three 285+ yd drives last weekend. Because there was no "timing" like I had before, the were dead straight. Hoping to get some distance back with some pointers from these posts.

    Thanks for all the great lessons!
    Jon
  • ROY GWYNN
    Henry Cotton said "why use a full swing if a 3/4 one will do?"

    For those who do not know Henry Cotton, he was one of the greatest golfers ever, the Dunlop 65 ball was named after one of his rounds, and to my knowledge, he may well have made this comment before J.B.Holmes was born, perhaps even before "The Surge" was born, certainly before he started playing.

    "If you think of something new about golf, today, be absolutely certain, somebody said it before."

    Due to the recent development of computers and information websites, much golf information and
    guidance, previously to be found in books, some written many many years ago, finds its way to the internet as the expertise of modern experts.

    Ohhhh to be an expert with a smart remark in ones own right!!
  • 1. How do you COCK your wrists on the down swing? If you cocked your wrists at all you would be uncocking them on the down swing.

    2. Surge referred to the #12 as a par 3 in the email blast. But, 325yds is 325yds regardless what par is.

    3. If you're 70 years old and can still hit a driver 250yds, you don't need to be asking what kind of diver, size or otherwise, you should be hitting. I'm 55 and don't hit it that far for that matter neither does Surge. To hit it 250yds,, you'd have to have a swing speed roughly 100mph. For 70, that is smokin". Don't change a thing.

    #4. Hitting the ball on the toe can be a swng issue, ball placement issue at address, improper stance (ie, reaching for the ball at address but when you swing the club comes back in closer to the body), incorrect lie angle, too much toe droop of the club (improper shaft). Go see a fitter. He'll be able to tell you what the issue is.

    #5. Fast hands means holding the angle created at the top of the back swing between the shaft and forearm until the last possible moment then rotating the right forearm through impact to create a "whip" like effect that increases the club head speed.
  • Arnold
    Wow, the Surge and Larry Jacobs conducted a great conference call today on Larry's Thin for Life weight loss program. I had no idea Don's weight is now down to within 2 or 3 pounds of what he weighed in college.

    The dramatic before and after picture of Don on the web page is worth seeing.

    http://www.donsoffer.com/major-discount-offer

    I hope there is an audio file or mp3 available. I'd like to hear it again.

    Atta Boy Surge!!!

    -A
  • tip
    ROBERT ALLENBY WAS ON PLAYING LESSONS WITH THE PROS TODAY, HE ALSO SAID HE USES 3/4 SWING WITH HIS IRONS FOR CONTROL[IMAGINE THAT]
  • Raymond
    Hey, I thought it was a 300 yard par three, there are some of those around for sure!
  • Raymond
    To someone who saw no mention that the hole was a par 3...

    I received the following email message today from Don...

    Dear student of the Peak Performance Golf Swing,

    When JB Holmes first came on Tour, he was in the top three in driving distance. I was next to him when he nailed one, all air, to the par three, #12 green at TPC Sawgrass. 330 yards. Three quarter backswing. No wrist cock. JB doesn’t use the PPGS. But there are elements I definitely like.

    Click here for my memory of that day at The Players Championship.

    Stay vertical,

    Don Trahan
    The Surge!
  • Raymond
    I just sent in a comment and a message popped up that said submitting comments too quickly... slow down.

    And my comment was deleted...

    I haven't posted a comment here in several weeks... what's the deal guys?
  • Rob
    I hit at the range today and i have to say after i month of watching your video series i am hitting straiter and more consistent. the fairway is the place to be. i am also hitting my driver fairly well. thanks for all your daily tips regards Rob
  • Roger Sublett
    I found the vertical swing very helpful with short irons and helped stopped some nasty shanks. I had a harder time with hybrids and woods. However, your email about "wide knees" really helped. It helped keep my feet on the ground and hit straighter shots. Also, it dawned on me to use "wide knees" on putting and it has really helped me keep a steady pendulum swing.
  • Ray
    Not that it matters, 325 yards is 325 yards, we must get a different version in Australia, no mention of a par 3 on blog here, what else are we missing.
  • Dosen't JB wrist cock on the down swing like Sergio.
  • Boston George
    I would agree ,regarding JB on the backswing.That is where it ends though w Peak Performance.From there he uses a kinematics sequence with Golfing Machine principles.He unwinds his legs and torso and punches at the ball with his right shoulder and arm.Releasing all his stored energy.

    Thanks
    George
  • Dick
    "par three, #12 green at TPC Sawgrass. 330 yards"

    Really? That's a long par three!
  • Charles Rankin
    Don: At 72 I still hit the ball pretty well. I have been using your system but in the cold weather, all bundled up, I don't get the feel all the time. Can't wait for short sleeve weather.

    I am having a problem. For some reason I am hitting my middle irons(4-8) on the toe of the club and am not sure what is causing this,

    Can you help.

    Many thanks for helping

    Charles Rankin
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