Friday, July 30, 2010

Setup: Back Foot Perpendicular to Toe Line — A Problem

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Let’s start with defining what a square back foot means in the setup. The toe line, which is parallel left of the aiming line, is called the toe line because the toes of both feet are to touch it in the address setup. Traditional instruction teaches that both feet, when touching the toe line, should be perpendicular to the toe line. When both toes touch the toe line, the feet are termed square in reference to alignment. When the knees, hips and shoulders, and I also like to include the eyes, are also parallel to the toe line, then the entire setup is square.

The PPGS is best accomplished from a square setup position starting with the toes of both feet touching the toe line. The key is the PPGS setup varies from traditional foot placement in that both feet need to be flared outward 30 degrees when touching the toe line. The flared feet allow getting into the wide knees with outward pressure setup easily and, more importantly, this allows for the kneecaps to rotate freely and with less stress in the swing.

When filling out my lesson diagnosis form with my lefty 13 year old KH, who has been working with me for 7 years, the first thing that stuck out at me was his back foot was perpendicular to his toe line. In fact, it was almost turned a little inward, and his knee was also turned inward and inside his ankle so it was absolutely not in the wide-with-outward-pressure position.

Note: This perpendicular back foot to the toe line with the knee pressed inward has been a long time taught setup position. This was to add stability to the swing and build up torque and power because the concept is to turn against the back leg and create torque in the knee and leg, which it does. Ben Hogan, who, it has been said, was double jointed and super supple and flexible, did this because it helped him restrict his swing so he would not over turn and over swing. For golfers lacking his suppleness and flexibility, doing this tends to cause them to get extra tight and tense. When their muscles tighten, and tension and strain build up, they keep trying or forcing the backswing turn against the back leg. That pushes their upper body forward into a reverse tilt.

KH, as he and his father VH told me in the pre-lesson briefing ,was hitting blocks and pulls and chunks with his woods and irons. With all clubs, when he hit them well, the shot pattern had too much of a sweeping hook. The main cause of all these problems was this back foot being perpendicular to the toe line and the back knee slightly turned inward.

The perpendicular back foot, first and foremost, tends to open the hip alignment which was the case with K. His shoulders were square with his toes, so his core was out of alignment and out of sync with his upper and lower body. The second issue is that, especially with the knee inside of the ankle, it tends to push the upper torso slightly forward. The more the knee is pressed inward and turned against in the backswing, the more the upper torso is pushed forward. The more the backswing turns against the back leg, and more torque is built up in the knee and leg, the more stress is placed on the back knee and leg, especially the lower back and hip.

K knew the perpendicular back foot was a big problem and told me it has been an issue for a few weeks and needed to be fixed. K’s first pre-swing setup point was flaring the back foot and getting the back knee wide and over the ankle with outward pressure. Practice setup and swings worked well. His balance improved, he loaded into his back leg better, his spine stayed steady, stable and behind the ball. When he did enough good practice setups and swings and I felt he had the setup and swing and had achieved what I call, “earned his golf ball,” I gave him a ball to hit for the ultimate test. His first swing hitting a ball was really good. His impact was shallow, solid and his ball flight was higher and back to straight with a slight draw if it turned at all.

The point is, it does not take much of a change for the bad in setup to many times really wreck havoc with the golf swing. Setup is all about being in balance in an athletically ready position. A setup with the back foot perpendicular to the toe line and the knee inside the ankle/foot is not athletically ready and balanced. That setup which is designed to build torque in the legs and hips does so and does it with a vengeance for most golfers who are not blessed with being extremely supple and flexile. For most golfers this creates the torque but also creates extreme tension, stress and strain and leads to back pain and injury, never mind causing poor balance and hitting a myriad of poor shots. The PPGS flared feet on the toe line, with wide knees over the ankles (riding a skinny horses as I call it) with outward pressure, is the way to be athletically ready. You’ll be in balance to make a powerful and controlled limited turn ¾ vertical swing with a body friendly, little to no tension, stress-free and strain-free swing.

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  • donna
    I can't hit woods off the. I don't feel comfortable and the result is I just catch the ball and send it
    running along the ground or take a big chunk of ground behind the ball. Can you help. Donna.
  • Donna,

    Two suggestions. 1. Try chocking down on the woods an inch or so for more control and they should also feel lighter. 2. If you try to hit down on the ball, change that thought to trying to swing up to your finish sweeping the ball off the tee and off the ground with the fairway woods and hybrids. This also works well with hitting the irons.

    Don
  • Reed Bailey
    Surge, I don't understand the "both" feet flared out about 30 degrees. I understand the right foot idea. In fact, some people teach that for better rotation, since most people can't make a "full" turn.
    Putting the left or forward foot flared out to 30 degrees give you a stance like a duck. Is that what you mean? Why? I notice that doing that restricts your turn and you believe a 3/4 turn of about 70 degrees is enough. Is that why the forward foot is flared too?
    It sure feels strange. I tried hitting a couple of balls like that and gave up quickly. Just didn't work for me, or maybe I'm not doing it right.

    I'm a 18.3 rating and shoot in the mid 90s, but know I can do better.
    Thanks, CR
  • Mike
    Dear Don, I have been following your method for several months using your tips and 3/4 restricted back swing. My consistancy has improved a lot and most importantly I have reduced the number of double bogies and worse from my scorecards.My handicap is about nine but now I'm playing off about six.. It's also true to say that your method causes instant improvement as you have promised. Thanks a lot for everyhing. However as a result of now having a more upright swing I have encountered a problem... the shanks. I suspect this is due to my weight coming forward on the swing. It only happens once or twice a round but is very destructive and bad for the confidence. After reading your article re Ben Hogan I will be working on my knees. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks Mike.
  • Matthew Farrant
    Hi Surge,

    Im from the UK and have been using your system and spreading the word even though I've only been playing golf for 6 months, I need some help, I seem to be hitting the ball way to the right, my set up feels ok and my swing generally isnt bad, I know I have a way to go but please could you give me some tips to rectify this problem.

    Thank you very much

    Matthew Farrant
  • Bill Wyland
    Surge,Do you answer any of these questions? It appears Perry uses you system , when his right elbow works up his side,left arm ,some what bent ,for awhile. Bill Wyland,age 75,was a 7 with Hogan fudamentals. The driver instruction needs improvement ?
  • Woody
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    ^ ^ ^
    pin ball blade of grass in line w/ ball & target

    ALL VEIWS ARE FROM ABOVE PLAYER LOOKING DOWN

    ball
    ------------------Target line---------------------------------O--------------------------------------------------------------------
    l
    l
    ------------------Toe line------------------------,------------^------------,--------------------------------------------------------
    \ l /
    Left foot @edge of toe line w/ -- \ l / --Right foot @ edge of toe line w/ foot @
    foot @ 11:00 position(30Deg.left) l 1:00 position(30Deg.right)
    l
    l
    l -- Line through center of head, through center of
    nose down TOWARD center of ball, not with
    your head directly over the top of the ball
  • George Haas, Nevada
    Surge,
    Went and played a Championship level course locally here in Nevada today. Warmed up on the driving range starting with my pitching wedge on up to my driver. Followed your instructions on the PPG set up and swing with the irons, started hitting everything straight, occasionally would hit an absolute pure shot with no effort. Had a little trouble with the driver I would slice a couple, still hit the fairway, then would pull a couple dead left, straight as an arrow.I was concentrating on set up and found I was gripping too tight, Lightened up on the grip and started hitting slight fades to 260 yards. I can tell the swing is working due to actually hitting 11 out of 18 greens in regulation. My Iron shots on the par 3's were on the green for the first time in a long time. Still have a long way to go recovering from the broken neck and surgery in April this year but after 18 holes, 1/2 hr on the driving range, 1 hr on the practice green after playing 18 holes I actually have no back or neck pain!
    Thanks for the great info on the PPG swing, I'm going to make it work. Plan on buying the video collection as soon as I regain employment. 6 mos of recovery time led to the unemployment. Wish my putter had been working today but the greens were extremely fast and my judgment of the breaks and speed was off a bit, still shot a 87 which I'm happy with at this point. Thanks Again !
  • Seth
    Message to Michael. You are right with your assessment of Ben Hogan's grip and setup. His instructions are basic fundamentals and were probably very accurate when he played. Take into consideration the improvement in technology (shaft flex/types, size of grips, size of club heads, etc.). Take what Mr. Hogan wrote as just a fundamental and make adjustments accordingly for your swing.

    Scott (GrandRapidsGolfLesson.com), your member may be sliding too much on the backswing. Recommend more of a turn with the torso at the start of the backswing. If you are an instructor and working with the member, have the member get in their setup and then take a club and hold it a few inches outside their back hip. As they turn they should barely touch the club. If they really push on it, then they probably have too much of a lateral shift in their backswing.

    Tony and Ed, sounds like you're hitting down on the ball with your driver instead of through the ball and completing your swing (follow through). The late, great Harvey Penick taught his students to hit through the ball with their drivers by attaching a fish line on the ball. As the student would be in the midst of their downswing, Mr. Penick would pull the ball off the tee. This would shock the students and they'd ask why he did that. He told them they were hitting "at" the ball instead of through it. He did this a number of times until the student would just swing through to their finished position. His other point was to swing as though the ball isn't there. Hope this helps.
  • Bob Saric
    Don,
    It is obvious that there is a growing number of people using PPGS, which is great !! Also, it is obvious that there is a growing number of people having problems with their driver and, I have to say, I am one of them too. Do not take me wrong, PPGS works, period !! I got best score ever and, recently, shot 39 on back 9 holes. I am sure that many people will agree with me if I say that a video lesson that is focused only on a driver would be of the greatest value to all of us. Thank you for your great work and everything you are doing in the name of the greatest game ever played.
  • Bill Giesing
    You probably haven't time to answer this but I thought I would try. After doing your program I still find that on downswing I am dipping my right shoulder which is sending the ball off to my right. A slice I believe. Is there something I can do to correct it in my setup or swing? Thanks any help appreciated.
    Bill
  • Dan
    Guys,
    One of the things I have found that helps me is to PRD. Preloaded Right Dominant. I believe that is what he calls it. And making sure my inside right forearm is pointed to the sky.

    This allows me to very easily lift the club into the catchers mit and up the tree. I really do not think of anything else.

    My preshot routine:
    Get behind the ball.
    Find my target
    Draw line to intermediate target
    Move to ball and get clubface square to intermediate target
    Take set up with flared feet and wide knees
    Get PRD
    NAB "Nose at Ball" My view it appears slightly behind. I think because I am Pre Loaded Right Dominant, so I am already set to move.
    Lift club to catchers mitt
    Up the tree
    Bang

    Hope this helps somebody.
  • Trevor Moorhead
    I agree with Steve about the lack of visual content compared to the amount of written instruction. I too find it hard to visualise and interpret without lots of visual back-up. I’d rather be shown than just told in case I’ve got the wrong end of the stick! It might have something to do with the fact that I’m an Englishman and the American terms might be confusing me a bit.
    But I have to say my swing feels so much better after following all your tips and I feel it is a great web site.
    PS. I wonder if you have a golf pro over here who teaches the PPGS set up?

    Trev M
    Hertfordshire, England
  • Alan R
    Hi Don,
    I have bought your manual and find that your fundamentals suit my mobility. I have a right knee
    problem which will eventually require surgery.Using your swing technique I seem to be hitting the ball well with my irons but with my driver I am driving the ball pretty straight with the occasional
    block. However the ball flight is very low and therefore causes me to lose distance.
    I know it's difficult for you to come up with a solution without video but could you please help.
  • Tony Rung
    Hey Don, I was wondering if you could break down Jim Furyk's swing for us sometime because that is the strangest swing I've ever seen, second to Charles Barkley of course.
  • GOLFEREGENEO
    Surge:
    I always set up with my right foot perpendicular to the aim line! When i am loaded pre right, this set up makes me open, causing a fade or too steep an approach! I can only make one change at a time and have only one swing thought! I am working on pre loaded right and picking up the club to vertical..must pay attention to everything being parrell to the aim line. Will try to flare my right foot so I will be more square. I am changing small things...determinrd to be a 3 or 4 by year end.
    I have never been this accurate with my short irons since learning your swing. I might be a nut job, but my head is stll, my spine angle maintained, more practice will get me doing all the small things automatic and clear my head for only one swing thought!
  • Scott
    Don,

    Good site and good marketing. How does one transfer weight to the front foot with so much weight over the back foot? One of our members is trying your knee out system and getting way to far behind the ball resulting in chunks.

    Keep up the good work.

    GrandRapidsGolfLesson.com
  • dwayne
    Don, I'am right handed and swing the golf club left handed, that is a lot differen't from bening right or left handed. When I am reading or looking at something like a setup or a swing back or foward it makes it hard. Is there something that can help in my situation.

    Thank's
    Dwayne
  • Amos Terrell
    SURGE:

    RIGHT ON!!

    I have been fighting a life long tendency to have BOTH feet perpendiculr to the target line . Today I made a conscious effort to check the foot flare and position -- result --- SOLID hits -- I hit a couple of 5 irons further and straighter than I usually hit my 7 wood! And the pesky 3 wood finally starting behaving itself and going long and straight also.

    The only problem -- a tendency to "push" my Drives to the right -- but I still hit 9 of 14 fairways -- and 3 of the misses were by inches -- literally

    Amos
  • Michael
    Hi Don,

    I have a copy of Ben Hogan's 'Five Lessons, The Modern Fundamentals of Golf' I've tried all of the positions and swing movements which Hogan considers to be 'fundamental' to making a proper golf swing. The result....DISASTER. As you point out, the right foot (or left foot for a leftie) set at 90 degrees to the toe line and right knee kicked inwards towards the target causes a great deal of tension and severely restricts the back swing. Hogan also claims that the upper arms have to be virtually clamped to the torso. This causes more tension and further restricts a free - flowing swing. Hogan states that you can never turn your hips too fast through impact. Finally, Hogan insists that the left hand thumb/forefinger 'v' must point to the chin.

    In the final analysis, Hogan is really telling us what works for him, rather than what might work for the average golfer. eg: Hogan is said to have always fought against a severe hook ...hence his preference for a 'weak' left hand grip. ( Hogan was also a natural feft hander, who played golf right handed - as did Johnny Miller)

    Following the release of Hogan's 'Five Lessons" a reviewer remarked that the people who would gain the most benefit from the book would be the Chiropractors of North America!!
  • Thommas
    I just finished reading "foot perpendicular to toe line". Four (4) lines of the article make a vague reference to flared 30 degrees of the feet to the toe line. The rest of the 48 lines discuss "billy" and how his foot was. I don't care about "billy", I want to know the details of what we should be doing, not details of what billy did wrong.
  • mort goodkin
    .I'm told I swing with my shoulders.I do not turn.As I get older my distance is getting shorter and shorter.
    how do I correct this? Bring the club back way high?
    My best,
    mort goodkin
  • Ed
    Surge, I am having the same problem as Tony. Like to know what you told him.
    Thanks
  • ron
    to clarify... nob on the ball with the short to mid irons.... gets you into a bit of a habit, and you cannot have the nob on the ball with the driver. if you do, then you tend to lose shoulder tilt and it's pretty darn hard to sweep up into the ball.

    cheers, ron
  • ron
    Guys, I don't know if Don has responded or not. I was also having issues with my driver (i have not purchased the video series, so I don't know if it addresses this problem or not) but I found that my problem was having my shoulders too flat at address with my driver. when you try to keep your "nob" on the ball and you have the ball more centered... the net effect is flatter shoulders at address. When I ensured I had good shoulder tilt, and really really focussed on my ppgs backswing... I was able to get a good path into the ball.
  • Robbie Robinson
    Do you have someone in the Riverside, Calif. area that teaches your ppgs? I am having problems with the driver and I want to go back to my old swing.
  • I have a lower back injury from playing football in highschool. I have found that the only way I can turn through a shot is to play with an open stance. Should I continue this or move to a straight line that you recommend. http://www.aboutjuniorgolf.com
  • joep
    I tried nose on the ball and other suggestions or tips you mentioned but NOTHING works for my knocking or topping shots on the ground. Off the tee I have no problem....help
  • Lucy
    Don,
    For "nose at ball", does it mean my nose and ball are in one straight line?

    Thanks.
  • Lucy
    Don,
    For "nose at ball", does it mean my nose and ball are in one straight line?
  • BigT1942
    Surge......I too have this problem when trying to hit the driver.

    I'm almost having to abondone the vertical back swing so I can muster a drive that does any distance.

    Thanks for any help.
  • Tony
    Don, I'm having a hard time figuring out how to swing the driver, I'm 5' 11'. I put it in the catchers mit,up the tree,swing and I am swinging either out side in and hitting a dead pull, or I try to take it back a little more so I can bring the club head stright threw and I hit a slice. Please help!
    Tony.
    PS. I have never hit my irons this well! I have been playing thirty years.
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