Friday, July 30, 2010

Proper Posture and Correct Distance from the Ball

Yesterday I discussed that the best way to get into proper posture and be the correct distance from the ball was that when you step into the ball and get into your routine and bend from the waist, your arms must drop down straight from the shoulders, so that your hands, if you draw a line from the top thumb knuckle of your top hand, will come up from somewhere under your face, between your chin and your nose.

That’s a good check point to make sure that your arms are hanging. Now, as I said, the thing that prompted that article was when a student told me that he’s been told you can never stand too close to the ball and asked me if that was correct. As I said yesterday, and I’ll reiterate it again today, you CAN stand too close, just as we can stand too far from the ball, over extending or over reaching. In the many years that I’ve been teaching, the predominance of students that I see on the lesson tee, if they’re doing anything wrong with their posture, as far as their distance from the ball, is that they’re reaching or over extending.

I can actually talk to that subject even more accurately than most because that was my major problem, which was compounded by the fact that I’m 5′ 9″ tall and have a 35″ sleeve. DJ, who is 6′ 3″, has the same arm length. A 35″ sleeve is an arm length normally you’re going to find on someone at least 6 feet tall. So I have extremely long arms for my height. Therefore, if I start extending or over reaching, my upper torso, the center of gravity of my swing, the base of my neck,  is really being pulled too far forward. That gives me a number of problems, in terms of my swing and ball contact, posture wise because of the reach being too far out, I’m going to have trouble lifting the club as vertical as I want to be and stand the club up as it should be done in the backswing.

The tendency is the more your body’s out, extended too far, you have to pull your arms back underneath the center of gravity of the swing, which is the top of your sternum, to get it in balance so that you can maintain balance and control of your arms and the club. So as you pull it in, the tendency is to get a little deep and not be able to stand the club up as much. I suffer from both of those situations.

Now it’s not as obvious as most because I still do a pretty good job of standing up, but it’s not as optimum as it could be if I were in good posture.

From there, the tendency as I start my forward upswing is that, because I’m a little deep, the upper body may slide a little forward. I slide a little forward and there’s a high probability my hands are going to get to the ball too soon, because my sternum has moved a little forward and I’m going to have a slight open face at impact and I’m going to hit blocks and maybe even a block with a slight cut. It’s not enough to get me into a lot of trouble, but I can miss the fairway and get into the rough. That’s not a very good hit. Every now and then, I’ll get a little ahead, flip it a little fast and get a soft pull. We call that army golf, right, left, left, right, or as I like to refer to it as baseball park golf. My baseball diamond is starting to get wider and wider. Rather than playing in a baseball field, I like to play in a bowling alley.

So that’s one of the concepts I really have to work hard on, getting into my correct posture. The other bad thing about posture, if you’re reaching too much, it tends to suck your hips under you more, again to counterbalance the fact that your arms and golf club are so far away from you, so when you start lifting you need that center of gravity under you more to be able to balance your lift up on the backswing. So, you’re out of posture. Compound all those things together and we have the issue of your arms tending to feel like they’re pulling away from you too much and it’s made worse if I slide a little bit forward.

So, how do I correct it? The key is when I bend over from the waist I have to make sure the arms drop straight down and that my hips are pushed outward. When I hit into the ball properly, bang, there’s my weight, right evenly in the arches, not drifting towards the balls of the feet.

Now I have that good, dynamically balanced setup with my hands straight under me. I can take it straight back and up, which means I feel like I’m taking the club back and my hands are moving and staying under my neck, all the way up, stand up vertical.

The big issue here is that if I do that properly, and I get up to the top, when I swing down, I feel my hands are staying under my neck into approaching the ball and releasing to impact. Under my neck, rather than being pulled out, so to speak, towards my mouth and my nose. We know that centrifugal force is trying to pull my hands out, so the more I reach, the more they’re going to be pulled out. Guess what happens. They  are more forward and ahead of the ball and, guess what, because I’m moving that far forward, I’m also getting closer to the ball and I have a greater tendency and make contact on the ball closer to the hosel, and even hit the occasional “hosel rocket.”

Again, the beauty is, I stand with my arms hanging much straighter down, it’s difficult for me to do because I feel like I’m crowing the ball. But when I do it, with the hands coming straight under my neck, the contact is so much more solid and straight, I’ve got a tighter trajectory when I hit it, meaning that I start on a tighter line, my launch trajectory is better and higher, which I like, and I’m back to playing in a bowling alley.

Last but not least, the ultimate, final, super thing that comes out of this is for the last year or so, I felt like I’d been losing distance, as much as 5 to 7 yards. That’s getting close to one complete club, especially with my short clubs, 7 iron down. And low and behold, I started a couple days ago working on this and in the last two days, my distance has come back! My 8 iron is back to 150 yards with no problem. And I’ve got my little straight to almost a draw shot. The distance is better. My divots are even shallower, and it’s easier to swing through and stand up.

Again, check your hand position. Draw the line from the top thumb knuckle, see that your hands are hanging below your face between you chin and you nose. You’re going to be able to swing more vertical, come down staying more vertical, you’re going to find your contacts more solid, your divots shallower, you have a better trajectory and flight pattern, and, if you been hitting the ball a little bit shorter than normal, you’ll probably get your distance back and your ball striking will improve, just like my has in the last couple of days.

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  • larry wise
    Don, Have not gotten any blogs from you since 3/28/10. What gives?
  • Every great player stands farther from the ball than he claims you should stand. The difference is that these great players all have the core strength allowing them to lean forward from the hip line while keeping the head up and the knees slightly flexed. The result is a natural one plane swing which produces a slight draw absent some compensation.

    Hackers stand too close and lift the arms to complete the backswing. Their swings are too vertical and the result is slices and pulls. Correctly performed, the golf swing is a sideways motion, not an up and down motion. What you need to do is simply watch any great golfer from directly behind the ball looking toward the target. You can see a million of these pictures every single weekend. Having established this correct posture, this is what every single crack golfer does, no matter what he says:

    1. Start the left shoulder turning around the spine to the right.

    2. Immediately use the hands to swing the club over the right shoulder, while retaining the brace of the right leg from the knee down. Keep the head level and don't worry if it moves a little to the right.

    3. Start the left hip toward the target while maintaining posture and retaining the backward (and upward) flex of the right hand created by the momentum of the backswing. It is okay to start the left hip before the clubhead completes its backward arc. Indeed, this is how most star golfers do it. Don't be afraid to make an aggressive lateral hip move, and don't turn the hip. It will turn when it reaches the limit of the lateral move supported by the width of your stance. (You will have to experiment to find the correct width for you, since this is determined by leg and spine length and flexibility.)

    4. Smash the ball downward and outward to the right of the target with a delayed release of the right hand. Try to delay the right hand action until you feel your hands are right over the ball and the clubhead is lagging impossibly far behind.

    I don't expect anyone to believe this is all there is to hitting a golf ball, but maybe one or two will try it.
  • Please don't talk about centrifugal force . It might expose your ignorance like David Leadbetter on his book 'The Golf Swikng" pages 44 andd 45. The difference in speed of that male and female skaters is not due to cenbtrifugal force but ----MOMNENT ARM. \The lady has a much longer moment arm than the male skater. AT CONSTANT ANGULAR VELOCITY THE LONGER THAT MOMENT ARM IS THE FASTER THE SPEED(LINEAR SPEED) JACK KUYKELDALL SELF PROCLAIMED NO.1 SCIENTIKFIKC GOLF INSTRUJCTOR HAS A PRINCIPLE CALLED --ONE AXIS SWINB. iT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE A DEGREE IN P;HYHSICES , YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMON SENSE.THE COMBINED TWO WRIST HAVE 3 AXES-P-COCKING AND UNCODKING AXIS,, FOREHAND AND BACKHAND SLAPPING AXIS AND RIGHT WRISTOVER THE LEFRT WRIST ROTATIONBAL AXIS. THERE YOU GO GUYS FOR SOME OF MY PRINCIP;LES.
  • Ron
    My god, these blogs should be title "Paralysis by Analysis"

    I have never seen so many confused people regarding the golf swing.

    It is not brain surgery guys, forget about all these details. Just swing from the inside, in a shallow arc and release those forearms.

    If you want to feel the proper swing do yourself a favor a purchase the "Inside Approach" training aid. If you practice with this device it will be guarantee that it will improve your game quickly and without so much mind twisting details.

    I took 8 strokes off my handicap in two weeks and have never gone back to my old swing problems.

    I can't read these comments anymore because it drives me nuts to see so many confused people trying to solve bad swing issues with so many irrevelant questions.

    Use the inside approach, you will never be confused again.
  • john hnatiuk
    the best games i have played maybe 3 times in 20 years is a real slow swing @65 shot well over 250 yds.how can i do this every time i play what kind of thinking do i have 2 do 2 swing slow
  • Lou
    For Aron: If the ball is above the feet, it will go left. If below. it goes right. With an above the feet lie, one chokes down on the club. With below the feet, you have to flex the knees more. With an uphill lie, one plays a little more forward in the stance and with a downhill lie, one plays it back in the stance a little. For severe downhill lies, I received a wonderful tip: play it back a little and remove most of the weight from the back foot - the right heel is almost off the ground) and take a shorter backswing.

    Also, my dad has a wrist to floor height of 33.5" and is 6'1" (his sleeve length is 37").
  • Ted Edwards DC
    My PPGS had disappeared and several of Don's latest articles described the why and wherefore of this tragedy. I went back to the PPGS Golf Swing DVD's and started at the beginning AGAIN. As I watched I found myself wondering, "Don how tall are you?" He answered that question in this article. Difference is Don is 1 inch taller than me but has 35" arm length compared to my 32". I'm guessing that his clubs lie angle is a bit different than mine for that reason.

    I played the worst round of golf in my life on this past Thursday, so bad I thought about hanging it up for awhile. The only good think was I had my golf buddy video me on several swings using my iPhone. i was able to SEE what I was doing wrong, but I was unable to FIX it on the course. Even though I could see I was in the sacred burial ground and layed off to at least 10 on the back swing, totally out of balance on the upswing I just couldn't do anything about it. I kept making the same crap-ola swing over and over again. It was ugly, ugly, ugly.

    Saturday, after reviewing some PPGS basics I was at the range hoping for redemption. I started to hit the ball better, straighter, maybe further - there was an incoming wind so I wasn't sure about that. And than wham I'd hit this weird slice-shank-bleed. On one of those despicable shots i was able to identify my finish and found that my right arm was pretty much under my left and the club was pointing right in the direction the ball was going.

    I'd work on correcting this by getting my forward swing into the catcher's might and up the tree - which I believe is related to "release" and found this to be the key. Still, every once in awhile, even though I had no INTENTION of doing so I would perform this weird maneuver which I guess Don would call a forward upswing block and I could see by my lack of finish - not getting to the T at all the reason the ball went where it did. This finish actually had the club pointing at about 2pm - ugh!

    I went over to the a pitching area and practiced pitching balls over some trees - I used the visual of taking a cape and throwing it over my left shoulder to help me get my right up to turn over into a thumb up position so it could get to the T-Finish. For the most part this helped.

    Gotta say my confidence in my golf swing is at an all-time low right now. Had some buddies who wanted to play yesterday, which was the hottest day of the year so far here in Seattle, and I just couldn't do it as I knew from previous experience that what I did on the range wasn't liikely to carry over to the course. Ah the life of a hacker!
  • herb goldstein
    All I can say is thank you. Keeping my hands closer worked some magic
    for me. Without realizing it my hands would slowly but surely get further
    and further away from my body. It most definitely makes it easier to get
    more vertical. I feel the swing under me. This was a most timely tip.
    Of course we need to be reminded, and often. The day I can't be reminded
    is the day I quit playing. Herb G.
  • Bill
    Don

    In reference to proper set up and the check point of the top thumb knuckle pointing to your chin...... a previous lesson positions the right thumb ( for RH 'er) to be touching the shaft at @ 11:00 & left thumb at 1:00....... This did helped freeup restricted club head rotation!

    Now this check point of the arms hanging down from the athletic position & the top thumb knucke [ which is one point of the straight line] making a straight line to the nose/chin.......
    WHAT IS THE OTHER REFERENCE POINT " OF THE TOP THUMB" or " the ground", THAT THIS STRAIGHT LINE RUNS THROUGH....... to produce the proper set up, of the hands, at address.

    Bill
  • John Connors
    Regarding the negative comments. I have gone to golf school, taken private lessons, and my golf game only got worse. I an 60 years old and have been playing for abut 10 years. This is the only system that has helped my game. The swing thoughts of catcher's mitt, up, and ring the bell, slow my swing down and result in a swing that is on plane. The idea of an athletic stance fits. I was a high school and AAU wrestler and know the benefit of a stable stance. Yes, there is a loss of distance, but it is compensated by solid contact on more shots and more balls in the fairway. If you don't like the system, don't use it. Don't spoil it for others who might benefit.

    JJC
  • HARRY , DENMARK.
    HI SURGE
    WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE LEAST DAMAGING OF THE 2 EVILS TOO CLOSE OR TOO FAR AWAY IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ?

    THE BEST OF COURSE IS THE CORRECT DISTANCE TO THE BALL, BUT I AM VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU ANSWER BACK TO THIS QUESTION.

    I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR FROM YOU AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE REGARDING MY ENQUIRY I SENT SOME DAYS AGO ABOUT BECOMING A PPGS REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL.

    HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.

    HARRY.
  • Ron Starr,
    Certainly shorter shafts could be a viable solution. We made Don's clubs shorter than standard as with his long arms his hands are closer to the ground. If your wrist to floor measurement for the left wrist is 34" or less, you need shorter clubs.
  • ron starr
    Don,
    I too have a long arm problem, which not only affects my golf swing, but dragging your knuckles on the ground does tend to cause undue skin loss.Would shorter shafts be a solution?( for my swing, not the skin loss. I solved that problem by keeping my hands in my pockets.)
    regards.....Ron. (australia).
  • Ctjoe and Gary,
    The reason for hitting toe shots can be a multitude of reasons.

    1. Lie angle of the club too flat
    2. Too weak a shaft producing excessin toe drop through impact
    3. Too low an MOI
    4. Swing flaw (path not on-on-on and coming from inside too much out with heel of club leading
    or coming over the top and closing the club face)
    5. Postioning the ball incorrect at address. I see a lot of amateurs address the ball out towards
    the toe and thinking they have it in the middle.

    So, without having you here to check these things, it's impossible to answer your question accurately.

    J. Griffin
    Master Fitter/Certified PPGS Instructor
  • Chris Warne
    Don

    Like Charles and Gary, I too am having problems with toe contact and thinish shots. After reading this article I think it may be from standing a little too close to the ball as my hands seem to fall under the chin at address - I will experiment next time I practice holding them out a bit further and keep the hands under the neck on upswing. I would be interested in your comments in a future article if poss, Don.

    I have also experienced problems with the driver (going right/slicing since using verticle swing) and solved most of them by following Don's advice by having the driver checked by a clubfitter. Guess what - shaft too soft and long, causing the head to lag open at contact point with ball. With an new slightly stiffer and shorter shaft with higher kick point, I have a straighter and higher ball flight, errors are now mainly caused by poor posture or allighment.

    As for critics of this site, I think it is fantastic to see their comments un-censored and be able to reply in whatever way we see fit - unlike other blogs where they are cut. As has been previously mentioned it brings an air of authenticity, confidence and maturity.

    The last week of articles have been amongst the best yet and give more good advice than I have been able to incorporate in my game with limited practice time,

    In Australia, we are about to change our handicap system to one similar to yours and after using the new formual I will have a new mark of 9.6, when I started implimenting Don's ideas over 12 months ago I was on 14.2. A large part of this improvement has been the inspiration from reading and following the advice on this blog and your video series and the idea that one can still improve after 50 when some of us are lucky enough to be able to devote more time to our passions.

    Many thanks Chris.
  • Peter J
    Hi Surge, what DJ's and your's swing speed with a seven iron?
    A lot of the posts seem to be dancing around the issue.
    Is swing speed important?
    Thanks,
    Peter
  • BC Powers
    Hi Surge !!...When you mention about you being 5'9" and DJ being 6'3" but both have the same arm length (35) I would have to say that if you both have properly fitted clubs then you couldn't use DJs clubs (too long) and he couldn't use your (too short)......well you could but the ball would have to be in a position other than normal.
    Regards
    BC
  • kenny pletz
    I am 6'3" and I have 35" arms -large torso -short legs 30 1/2 "

    To prevent from hitting the ball fat with this vertical swing - I grip down about 1 1/2 on my short irons -more on my long irons and woods, can hit them high and long with ease using this swing.

    What is great about this swing is the ease to dublicate it almost everyytime.

    I have spent thousands of dollars on lessons and would like to ask the pros for my money back!
  • Hank
    Surge:

    Hap Bulger's comment about holding a shoe lace from the mouth (i tied a washer to the bottom) should be added to your arsenal of surgisms (another vertical setup). I found that I was having the same problem as Hap, standing to close to the ball hitting hosel rockets. By moving away from the ball I was finishing to the "T" finish without losing balance.

    Keeping all things vertical, Hank.
  • I have really been concentrating on your articles and working on changing my swing. I had backsurgery last winter and the new swing has helped my back tremendously. My problem is that I have lost a lot of distance, 10-15 yards in my irons and 20-30 yards in my drives and fairway woods. I can't afford to give up yardage like that. Help
  • Hi Mr Trahan,
    How about the opposite arm length problem! I am six feet tall and have a 30 inch sleeve. I use clubs that are two inches overlength and do my desperate best to swing them slowly. I am 75 and carry a 14 handicap with a lousy short game that is going to be fixed this year if I have to spend all my waking hours around the green!.. My driver yields 200 yards plus or minus a foot. What do you recommend for keys to the proper posture when standing up to the ball with my stunted arms.
    Jim
  • Christopher Nash
    Rich, Try riding on a tube train, metro or underground train (depends on the country) whilst it is travelling at speed and not holding on. You will quickly learn / experience balance and how to relax. Sam Snead apparently called it "feeling oily".
  • Larry Karp
    I have been using PPGS for 3 weeks and have had some horrendous scores in the process (at 75 one doesn't relearn without great effort). But, your last 3 lessons (Finding the Top, Swinging the Arms -not the Body, and Standing the Right Distance From the Ball) clicked with me and helped my range work immensely. I then played THE CLASSIC" (Palm Desert, CA) and after some trepedation on the front nine, I had a 41 on the back nine missing 7 birdie putts.
    At least for one afternoon, all the slices, shanks, and pulls that came with the learning process were gone--replaced with 250 yard drives down the middle and relatively straight approach iron.shots. Most of all, the confidence with the clubs that i had lost years ago is BACK!. Speaking of backs, my sciatica and shoulder problems have been minimized.
    Lastly, I am so happy you have a student named Larry. Your lessons appear to be directed personally to me since, along with his name , I have many of his golfing problems.
  • James Devine
    I have tried t login to link for thenext golf school and it won't permit me to enter. Can your help?
  • ctjoe
    Surge,can you answer Gary's question on why he's hitting all of his irons on the toe?
  • Alan Feurer
    Surge, Can't wait to get out and try my new swing! Hey, since I have been tweaking my swing I have noticed that I am paying way more attention to what is going on with my swing. One of the things I have noticed and I haven't heard of anyone else with this is that when I start back on my swing one of the first things that I do sometimes is I slightly rotate my top wrist clockwise (I"m right handed) maybe 5 degrees or so. I know that this can"t be right because when I get to the top of my swing my left hand has a cupped wrist. Any thoughts on how I can keep this from happening. It's such a small thing but I now know that it is affecting the way I strike the ball. Thank you for all the help you have given my so far! Alan
  • The Surge!
    Max,

    Thanks for passing on the observations from your experience playing with the man with an artificial leg. Check out the archives for an article titled "Meet My Friend Anthony" that I wrote a few months ago. Or google Anthony Netto and check out his golf swing.

    Anthony is a paraplegic and plays golf strapped in his special awesome wheel chair from the waist down. No lower body, no leg action, no weight shift or transfer just all arms. He can swing it 120 MPH plus and hit it 300 yards.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    Max,

    Thanks for passing on the observations from your experience playing with the man with an artificial leg. Check out the archives for an article titled "Meet My Friend Anthony" that I wrote a few months ago. Or google Anthony Netto and check out his golf swing.

    Anthony is a paraplegic and plays golf strapped in his special awesome wheel chair from the waist down. No lower body, no leg action, no weight shift or transfer just all arms. He can swing it 120 MPH plus and hit it 300 yards.

    The question that needs to be asked, and answered as I have in the PPGS is "How much body do we need to hit a golf ball solid and long? NOT VERY MUCH.
  • Hap Bulger
    Surge, great article on posture and and hands set up. I suffer from exactly the same problems that you have experienced with a slightly different twist. I'm six feet tall but have relatively short arms (33-34" sleve length). This causes me to set my hands too far inside the top thumb knuckle straight line to my mouth (mouth is halfway between chin and nose) This makes me crowd the ball at set up and slump over slightly. I can bring it back vertical with no problem but on the downswing my subconscious makes me reach to get back into proper balance. This makes me hit the "hosel rockets" you referred to. Reaching causes hosel rockets whether you do it at address or make a "reaching correction" on the downswing because you are set up too inside. The solution as you have mentioned is to have your top thumb knuckle right under your mouth. This is easy to check by holding a shoe lace in your mouth at set up to check the position of your hands. When I did this test I found my hands set up four inches inside (towards my body) and made me carry my hands way to low at address. Your suggestion not only helped me fix my hands position at address, it told me how to make the correction.
  • The Surge!
    To Hubert Abner,

    First of all for most golfers the learning cycle begins with slicing then to pulls or hooks and then with success settling into relatively straight or some degree of little right or left ball flight.

    I also do not want to get into the middle of your two instructors. I will give you some scientific facts that I believe in and teach that are found in the book, The Search For the Perfect Swing" by Alastair Cochran and engineer. He said if you want to hit a good shot which he described as relatively straight, you had to do 4 things approaching impact.
    1. The club as to approach the ball on the aiming (target) line. 2. The club has to hit the ball while on the aiming line and be square to it. 3. The club has to leave on the aiming line accelerating and 4. The club has to hit the ball solid and on the sweet spot while doing the first 3. I call this the On-On and On, square and solid principle.

    According to this you are hitting good shots to the right when you swing inside to out as you are being taught. I believe this shows that you are in fact hitting good straight shots as physics prescribes, Since you want to hit ti the target, You need to adjust your path to swinging toward the target not inside to out to right field.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    Aron,

    When playing downhill and uphill lies you have to adjust your spine angle to remain more vertical to the ground.

    I always suggest taking practice swing besides the ball so you can setup and test how your swing will feel to impact and bottoms out as well as how the lie affects your weight transfer and swing to the finish.

    There are some articles in the archives about playing up and down hill as well as side hill lies.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    To George w. Bolton,

    The March 1 article titled "Finish, Part 2" has a picture face on of the T - Finish.

    You can go up to the top of the article page and look for the SEARCH box which is right below the pictures of DJ and me. Type in T - Finish. I just did it and a list of articles comes up. The 11th article listed is the one I referenced above with the picture.

    The Surge!
  • Surge:

    I am 6'4" tall and also have a 35" arm length. So what does that mean to me in where I should stand to the ball? I go measured at a fitting place and my clubs supplied have 2 extra inches to compensate for my arms being short for my body.

    As for you annoying critics of PPGS .... I would like Surge to supply his documented worst student who got super good via PPGS instruction and offer any/all of you people a challenge.

    $10,000 match - head to head.

    All of us people who believe in PPGS will share in putting up $10,000 for our side betting on Surge's student to crush you over 18 holes and you guys match that amount -- winner take takes the $10,000 from the loser. On our side (winning) we split your $10,000 between us and Surge's student.

    Choke. Put your money where your mouth is. Choke.
  • Henry Hawkins
    Please remove me from your email list.
  • Gary
    It seems no matter what I do I hit the ball on the toe of the club, (irons) and never take a divot. Any suggestions??
    Thanks, Gary
  • Hubert Abner
    Dear Sir:
    I read your daily messages. I have so far taken lessons from two local golf teaching pros.
    I never palyed golf until I was a bout 68 and that now is two years ago.
    I have a very bad slice and I control it by slowing my tempo both backward and forward,(As per teacher #1), and then (teacher #2), has given me intensive instructions on keeping my knees and legs very much like your instructions. #2 also continues to drive home the point of swinging from the inside to out which is very hard for me to do. When I do though the ball goes straight to the right and does not curve back to center as all of you do.
    I am not writing here to get you in any kind of middle with any of my teachers.
    I am writing though because here online and in magazines I have read that rarely does a person with my faults ever get them corrected.
    I would appreciate it if you would direct me though to some literature written by a golfer that started out with this problem and actually did correct it. I think I would then better understand. You see my very excellent golf player and teacher has said to me that he wishes some time he could hit the ball with the curve to right as I do. I want to hear from someone that can do that but has learned to also hit a draw.
    Thank you very much.
    Hubert Abner
  • max
    Sarge, I've just had a great experience, ( your technique in mind), which more than justifies this comment. Today I played 18 holes with a one legged man (left leg gone). After several holes of watch-ing him hit his drives 30 to 50 yards farther than mine, I decieded I'd best analyze his swing. Too my suprise and amazement his swing exemplified to a minute your instructions. I was able to see your words transformed into visual action. I'm a solid, sold, on your technique and instructions. Currently I'm in my training program with noticable accomplishments every day on the course.. By the way, I'm 82 been playing golf 40 of those years and finally feel like I've learned something. Again, THANKS.
  • BentPutter
    correction: "knife shot"
  • BentPutter
    Don, played a course yesterday called HiddenValley here in southern Ca. very windy and hilly, I don't think I had one flat lie, using your "accordian effect" worked well with the downhill lies but swinging vertical and trying to stand tall on a uphill lie produced chunky shots to the left, is there a part of the set up that I'm missing? By the way the "blade" shot in your bonus videos saved me big time. Thanks!
  • George W Bolton
    How about a simple drawing of the T finish. (Front, Back, Sides). I have been reading this for several months and I'm still confused as to the proper finish.
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