Friday, July 30, 2010

Long Irons & Woods: Does the Club Know?

Note from The Surge: We’re down at the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando, FL. I’ll be having a report soon on the treds we’ve seen. Pretty amazing stuff. This is the biggest golf show on earth. Something like a million square feet of nothing but golf. Of course, I run intro old friends, many of them teaching pros. One of them, Doug, came up to me and said, “Surge! What’s this about the right arm? Are you serious?” So, Dougie, this one’s for you, because you were probably asleep when I ent over this (just kidding).

The right arm is the “good guy.” Students (and teachers) often come to me because they have problems with the longer irons and woods. The primary reason they have difficulty is because the longer clubs are flatter.

What happens is the longer clubs, being flatter because of their length, are thus swung on a slightly flatter plane, even though we are swinging them basically as vertical as the shorter ones. The key here is that in both the backswing lift and the forward upswing lift, the law of centrifugal force wants to keep the club on the same path through impact on through to the finish, which is lower, flatter and more tilted, due to shaft length.

Plus, add gravity in the forward swing fighting your wanting the club to go up also adds to the dilemma of lifting the club up vertically. Thus, in the forward swing, like in the backswing, once the club is into the mitt (parallel to the ground) the main player becomes the right hand.

The right hand, the hand that everyone has been told is a “Bad Guy” because it is blamed for every handsy evil in the backswing, especially in the forward swing, is held lightly and has been trained to be passive so it won’t over release.

The key to swinging vertical is that the right hand has to take over, and take over BT (Big Time) to lift the club to the vertical T-Finish over the left shoulder.

Once you are approaching impact, the right hand and forearm have to be activating, so once the club reaches the mitt (parallel to the ground) the hand and forearm can stop the arms and club from rotating past palms perpendicular to the ground and club toe up, and make the club go straight up to 12:00 o’clock.

This can only happen with a strong, activated, committed and forceful right hand forcing the issue of changing the direction of the shaft off the diagonal plane into the more upright and vertical plane, both in the backswing lift and especially in the forward up swing lift.

The forward up swing change of direction and lift has to be even more forceful because of the simple fact that the upswing speed of the club is way faster than in the backswing. So, more speed needs more energy and effort to change the direction, especially up, which is going against gravity. Here, gravity is the enemy, remember? An image I use to show and somewhat feel this to imagine is that after impact, as you reach the mitt, you have the tree behind the mitt. The key is to feel that shaft, just above the clubhead, bounces off the tree trunk.This ricochets the club and arms straight up.

In other words, the tree stops the club on its diagonal path to the left, which is flat, deep and wide of the shoulders, and bounces it straight up over the left shoulder to the T -Finish.  The right hand is still active because once the club direction is changed, we have to make sure it goes straight up and not bounce diagonally the other way.

What we are doing is swinging with active and powerful hands and arms, especially the right hand. I have (of course) a “Surgism” about swinging the club you’ve read before: “I must swing the club, the club does not swing me.”

When I swing a club, the club only does what I want it to do. (Good and bad.) And when it is in motion, especially in the forward up swing, you must have actively engaged arms, and forearms (especially the right) to change the plane from diagonal to more vertical. The longer the club, the more energy and emphasis needs to be applied in this vertical bounce off the tree. So forget about the passive right hand. Energize it to do the job it has to do of forcing the club up in the vertical plane where it has to go to hit the ball solid, straight and longer.

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  • Joy
    Dear Surge You spend lots of time on the guys what about us gals?Not many of us have discovered your site nor have we as a group interested enough in the game mechanics.
    Women are just as power hungry and perhaps more inclined to take lessons from some handsome pro at hi cost! I have been impressed with your technique and certainly am trying to emulate your style and notably want to improve However, so far my game is wretchedly poorer that before I attempted the change on your videos. Is there any specific help out there for ladies?
    Here's hoping your health continues to improve. Joy
  • Jim from CT
    Surge,

    I signed up for your DVD program about six weeks ago, hoping to improve my swing. I am 62 and have been playing golf for about 30 years, and always a high handicapper (26). I live in Connecticut, and could only practice your techniques using a weighted club indoors due to the weather. Last week, I had a business/pleasure trip to Maui. I was able to play 5 times over the eight days, and put your system into practice. First I noticed more consistent results, with fewer misses and arrant shots. Scores went from 105 the first day, to 88 the last day, after the puts started to fall. The keys for me were the basic swing in the DVD’s and two of your daily tips: the diagram of the catcher’s mitt, up the tree and the right arm swing. Just as important was you Surgeism of forgetting about the errant and bad shots and move on, trusting the swing.

    I am still having a problem coming over the top and with my alignment but cannot wait to get back on a golf course (though with the snow coming down, it may be awhile) and using your tips and comments into practice. Thanks

    Jim from CT
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  • Barry Lowther
    Hi Surge, Still waiting for the weather to clear up here in the UK, got rid of the snow and now we have rain! Anyway my question is - Some years ago I was listening to a golf discussion on the radio and the question came up "Why not have the shaft length of all iron clubs the same, say 5 or 6 iron length. Less complications in set-up and ball position" What do you think?
  • I was really looking forward to a logical discussion about long irons. I used to love to hit my 2 and even the 1 iron a couple of years back. When I mentally prepared for a "soft shot" I hit them square and decently long, and when I "overcooked" the swing did I get slices and hooks and everything else.

    So my questions are ... should there be a different mental preparation for the longer irons, does this include fairway woods as well, and does it extrend to the driver to a greater degree.

    And given the technical discussion earlier, since these clubs are longer, should not keeping your hands/forearms at the same speed as shorter clubs produce a higher club-head speed (and of course when coupled with proper swingpath and clubface alignment and a less loft result in longer shots)? The point being you can swing the longer clubs at the same hand speed and get more distance.
  • Hal Frost
    This is rediculous. A lot of people on here are looking for some real help, as promised. And all you guys are doing is arguing! If you are an instructer, then instruct. If you are not an instructer and you aren't looking for help, move on. Most of this whole post is just stupid ramblings about stuff that does not help anyone and is frustrating. Use the post for what it was designed to be used for. INSTRUCTION AND HELP
  • Hal Frost
    After I got the videos I had trouble slicing my long irons and woods. After watching a video of myself, I thought that I was collapsing my left arm too early and it was dragging the clubhead around my body instead of "up the tree." I now visualize my follow through as though I am going to throw the club at the target while rotating to toe up after impact and this has allowed my swing to stay down the target line better and has taken care of my slice. I don't know if this is correct or not but it has helped me and may help someone else. Any feedback?
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  • Simon Leach
    There is no such thing as the "law of centrifugal force". In fact, there is strictly no such thing as centrifugal force, it is an APPARENT force arising from you applying a centripetal force on the club to swing it in an approximate circular path. You apply a force on the club - it applies a force on you, this is an application of the much misunderstood Newton's Third Law. Anyway the net result is that you accelerate the club in an (approximate) circle. This apparent centrifugal force will be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the centripetal force. Perhaps you mean to say INERTIA keeps the club going? There is a law of inertia or Newton's first law.

    LEACH THE TEACH
  • Tony S.
    Surge,

    I've been a member for about 3 or 4 weeks now with no real improvement in my score. I've been reading, practicing and playing as much as possible. I live near New Orleans (WHO DAT) so practicing is not a problem, except for work. I notice I'm having difficulty with my 5 and 6 irons by either topping the ball or hitting way before the ball and chunking it. It also happens with some shorter irons as well. (No consistency yet) I've gone back over the videos several times but can't figure out what's happening. Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    Tony
  • mark k
    HEY!!!! If both of you guys are tour pros you must be playing with the First Tee the way you guys are going at it. Cut it out, no one cares and you should be helping the bloggers looking for help. We are not interested in who played what, when, where and with who. Help those that are looking for it.
  • jimsha
    Hey Ben,

    Did check out Carl's swing on pga.com. Really as vertical as I have seen. But maintains a nice full arc throughout. They say he is along hitter and that's probably the reason why. A little different at address with the hands high and straight out, but you can't argue with success what with making about 6 million since '06.
  • Ben,
    I was doing what you asked and leaving you alone and you had to make one more post and push me. Well, I won't be pushed but I do feel I need to say that I'm not doing anything to provoke you. I haven't called you any names, I haven't said anything that wasn't true, and all I did was question you on information that you had given and have since responded to your attacks. So, I'm fine with letting it go. So, just let it do.
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  • Ben,
    It doesn't really matter to me what you say to or about me. I'm not in the least bit threatened by you. In fact, when I just read your post, I must admit it gave me a good little chuckle. That is the difference in knowing who and what you are and being threatened or challenged by what someone else says. Boy, the more you type one here, the deeper you dig your hole.
  • Ben,
    My goodness son. First, don't threaten me with bodily harm. Second, get over your persecution complex. I did not call you a liar. I stated what you had posted was in error. So, tell me where I was wrong! If you're going to keep on defending yourself like this one has to conclude that you must be guilty of something. The old saying that the guilty pig squeals the loudest sure does seem to apply. You aren't helping yourself out here. I'm sorry that you've had it hard and that things didn't work out with you in golf, football, your business, and apparently life, but I haven't done a single thing but ask you to clarify a post that you made in error. Actually clarify two errors. The first being that a 90MPH swing speed would get you 280 yards when it is a physical impossibility according to the laws of physics which you can calculate distance by and the second having Rik Massengale playing in the Houston Open in the 1990's. So, if by asking you to speak to your errors in your posts makes you feel challenged or threatened, then you sir, have a more serious problem than anything to do with this site.
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  • Ben,
    So, you have stooped to name calling? I asked a simple question based on information that you had given. What was the harm in that? I would expect the same from any one if I gave information out that they knew was incorrect. I will say though that you do seem to have a self esteem problem and feel the need to vidicate and defend yourself continually. Maybe it would be a good idea if someone wants to communicate with you that you put your email address on here and they can contact you directly and you won't feel badgered by those who would just as soon see you leave. Just a suggestion. It would seem to solve a lot of issues.

    Also, since you are a professing Christian, I think the judgemental call of me being a SOB might, ahem, as you say, be over the line.
  • Roy
    Hey Ben, here are some words for you having nothing to do with golf:

    Fun, tongue in cheek, pulling your chain, in jest. I have not seen one single post directed at you done in bigotry or hate.

    Dude, I am beginning to think that you are really 11 years old!

    BTW, I am not an 8 handicapper, I am really a tour pro staying home recuperating from a motorcycle accident. I will be back on the tour by the middle of next month. I will wave at you when the camera zooms on me.

    Stay erect!

    I meant to write, keep it up!

    Ooops sorry, stay vertical! lol
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  • Ben,
    I have a little problem with your time line and perhaps you can clear it up for me. First, you say you were playing 845s and they were a bit outdated and you elude to some 15 years later that the Armours are recogized as some of the best clubs ever made. I'd have to agree with that as I too played these irons in 1991 as did my good friend Jim Thorpe. So, i'm guessing that you played them in 1995 or therebouts. So, here is the problem. Rik Massengale (and his older brother was Don) played the tour until 1983 when he retired due to back problems. In 1997, he tried the Senior Tour for a bit. So, I'm wondering just what year did you see him not only playing in the Houston Open but playing well enough that he would have made the cut? I can't for the life of me find it anywhere around that time. In fact, the History of the Houston Open shows the last time that Rik Massengale played in the Houston Open was 1982, the year that he retired and he didn't make the cut then.
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