Friday, July 30, 2010

Distance or Accuracy…Accuracy or Distance?

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Doug, in his question and comments below threw me a curve.  As I was reading his words, especially referencing Joe’s question about losing distance, I thought I was being led to answer how one can maintain or regain lost distance with the driver.  With his last sentence he states he can still hit it long but less consistently and with less accuracy.  So, does Doug want me to address consistency and accuracy or loss of distance?  In the interest of Joe and Doug I will answer both.

Joe says:
Surge, I turned 50 as all golfers get older they lose distance. Is there an exercise I can do so I can get back some?

Doug Banks says:
Surge…., Joe, on February 22, 2010, asked a question about distance. I am interested in your answer. Somehow, those of us that are “seasoned” enough to (maybe) understand the game, and young enough (like Joe) to still be strong, would like to know what time “blurring” concepts…exercise, or whatever, will allow us to regain/retain, the distance we once had. I can still hit it long, but, less consistently, and I lose accuracy…
I like to play with the Kids….
Doug

The Surge says:
Hello Everyone.  Distance is the #1 issue for most golfers.  After all, golf is a game of distance, hitting the ball from tee to green.  And hitting longer drives to have shorter shots to the greens usually means hitting more greens and hitting it closer. That means making more putts and shooting lower scores, which is the essence of why we play.

Before I answer Doug and Joe in this article, I will directly answer them by referencing previous daily articles where I discussed these same topics and more.  On 10/24/09 I wrote “Think Distance…Control or Accuracy” which this title speaks for itself.  Doug’s mention of exercise or whatever was well covered on 12/3/09 in the article “Winter Workout.”  Joe and Doug’s reference to age was covered on 12/6/09 in “Getting Older / Distance Shorter.”  Then on January 23, 2010, I wrote “Diminishing Driver Distance” which referenced The Golf Channel’s documentary celebrating Jack Nicklaus on his 70th birthday.  I highlighted Jack’s references of his losing clubhead speed and distance since his late 50’s to early 60’s.  I also referenced comments by 49 year old Kenny Perry in Golfweek Magazine where Kenny was mentioning he was already seeing was already seeing 4 to 6 yards loss of distance with his driver.

Starting with answering Joe’s question: Yes, you can do exercises and stretching and some weight training. Good diet and nutrition also add to getting and staying healthy and fit.  And as I always say, we must only enter into doing these programs with the consent of your doctor and the advice and guidance of experts in these areas you choose to work on your fitness.  Naturally, I cannot overlook mentioning that your golf clubs are a big part of playing golf.  Getting fitted by a certified club fitter to make sure your clubs are the correct fit, especially in the shaft flex or stiffness, is critical to your clubs performing relative to you present state of health and fitness.

This means that as we age, as soon as we see or feel changes in our strength, fitness, endurance, speed, and for golf, loss of driving distance and loss of carry in our iron shots, it is time to see the club fitter.  You need to see if you need changes in your shaft flex and load and kick characteristics of your shafts as well as changes in your set makeup, like adding more hybrids.

To Doug, since you still have distance, but not the consistency and accuracy your desire, I think you need to focus on the consistency and the accuracy.  After all, hitting it more solid and straight, if even a little shorter than bombing it crooked, in the long run, your statistics will prove you’ll always be longer in the total picture.

In the article “Think Distance or Control/Accuracy,” the article begins with this.  “Dale Weaver wrote in a blog the other day, I’m more of a control thinker than of a distance thinker.  I’d much rather have a 150 yard shot straight for the green from the fairway than a 100 yard shot out of the rough.”  What do you think about Dale’s course management style of thinking?

I think that Dale and The Surge are brothers of the “Straight is Great” fraternity of golf course management.  As far as I am concerned, the only place to play golf consistently and successfully is out of the fairway.

Doug, I recommend you and everyone, whether you hit it long or not long enough, will play better golf and shoot lower scores if YA’LL join Dale and me in the “Straight is Great” fraternity.  Playing from the short grass is the way to play to shoot lower scores.

One major fact of life after birth is simply that every day we grow older.  The more we work at staying fit and healthy the longer we can perform to a higher level.  Giving a lesson a year or so ago I came to a major conclusion about fitness and performance, both from watching my students and from witnessing my own growing older issues.

Many of my students, like myself, were working at keeping fit and healthy, but we were still losing distance.  In my case, my loss was not as significant as most of my students.  In fact, my loss was minimal compared to most of them.  I concluded that was because my swing was much more consistent and I hit the ball much straighter because my ball striking was much more solid and on line.  So, it was obvious a good swing and good ball striking are great equalizers to slowing down loss of distance.  What is the primary thief of stealing distance from us as we age?

LOSS OF SPEED and STAMINA is the culprit.  I ran this by Dr. Armstrong and he agreed whole heartedly.  Many of us can still do things as well and sometimes better as we have more time as in retirement to play golf and practice more.  But what we can’t do is walk and run as fast or hit as many practice balls on the range or play as many holes or work as many hours as we did in our younger days, even if we still keep working out.  Why?  Because our muscles don’t fire as fast as they used to.  They also loose strength and stamina even when we may get more flexible.  When the muscles slow down due to age, everything we do slows down.  And as far as golf is concerned, slower arms = less club speed and less club speed = less distance.  This is a fact of life.  The sooner we admit it and accept it and make the appropriate adjustments, life and golf go on in a better and more productive way.

The answer for playing good to better golf is simply mastering the PPGS, the body friendly swing and joining the “Straight is Great” fraternity.   To join, there are no indoctrination or hell night trials to take and pass.  The only requirement is to know and accept the consequences of aging, and work at staying fit and healthy.  Then the last step is you decide that accuracy is more important than distance.  And congratulations, you are in.  Now all you need to learn is the secret handshake.

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  • Ed Kosiewicz
    thought this might interest a few

    In My Hand I Hold A Ball,
    White And Dimpled, Rather Small.
    Oh, How Bland It Does Appear,
    This Harmless Looking Little Sphere.

    By Its Size I Could Not Guess,
    The Awesome Strength It Does Possess.
    But Since I Fell Beneath Its Spell,
    I've Wandered Through The Fires Of Hell.

    My Life Has Not Been Quite The Same,
    Since I Chose To Play This Stupid Game.
    It Rules My Mind For Hours On End,
    A Fortune It Has Made Me Spend.

    It Has Made Me Yell, Curse And Cry,
    I Hate Myself And Want To Die.
    It Promises A Thing Called Par,
    If I Can Hit It Straight And Far.

    To Master Such A Tiny Ball,
    Should Not Be Very Hard At All.
    But My Desires The Ball Refuses,
    And Does Exactly As It Chooses.

    It Hooks And Slices, Dribbles And Dies,
    And Even Disappears Before My Eyes.
    Often It Will Have A Whim,
    To Hit A Tree Or Take A Swim.

    With Miles Of Grass On Which To Land,
    It Finds A Tiny Patch Of Sand.
    Then Has Me Offering Up My Soul,
    If Only It Would Find The Hole.

    It's Made Me Whimper Like A Pup,
    And Swear That I Will Give It Up.
    And Take To Drink To Ease My Sorrow,
    But The Ball Knows ... I'll Be Back Tomorrow.


    Stand proud you noble swingers of clubs and losers of balls...

    A recent study found the average golfer walks about 900 miles a year.

    Another study found golfers drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.

    That means, on average, golfers get about 41 miles to the gallon.

    Kind of makes you proud. Almost feel like a hybrid.
  • Don Graven
    I do well on the range with your system but lose it on the course.
  • Les Gore
    I often play with a guy who is 88 and has blown out to a 9 handicap. He hits straight even though he has lost distance. Not bad huh?
  • Amos Terrell
    to Rod:

    YES -- that is the IDEAL position -- club vertical to the ground at the top of the backswing.

    However, some varaition is "allowed" of permitted - the club MAY lean toward to wall a little -- to perhaps 11:00 when viewd from behind -- but NO MORE than that.

    Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG


    Amos
  • Rod
    Don an Mr.l Griffin,

    You can beleive I am getting better and better! Some things Don says I have to read over and over and I still don't get them. It certainly is not Don's instruction but my understanding. I just seem to be a slow learner or slow to comprehend things. But with time on the course I begin to slowly figure out what is being said. I think different people like myself, may not be of the same inteligence as the instructors. Maybe I am trying to hard or what ever but everything Don teaches when I fugure out what he is talking about works and works so well I just can't beleive it.

    I made a comment several days later to one of Don's lessons so I did not know if either Don or Mr. Griffin ever saw it so I would like to repeat it.

    It referred to the butt against the wall. In this practice you are not suposed to hit the club head on the wall in the vertical backswing. The club should be more over your shoulders. I also need to add here that early last year Don said if at the top of the backswing, you loosend your hands on the club the club should slide thru your fingers straight down vertically to the ground, along with this lesson he mentioned that the hands should remain perpendicular to the ground. Well I think I finally figured it out and would like to ask Don or Mr. Griffin if I have by asking this question in regards to all of this.

    Here is the question.
    In the butt against the wall backswing, when the club is at the top, measuring out from the wall should the measurement be the same at the club head as well as at the grip?

    I am thinking it shoud be, because then the club would slide straight down if the hands loosened the grip on the club and also both hands are perpendicular to the ground?


    Thanks again,

    Rod
  • Bob Kay
    Surge... You still haven't answered the question of "What Exercise can we do to get back SOME OF THE distance loused ".? We know we all loose distance with age. Are there any exercises we can do to help us slow down the loss.
  • Rich
    I'm a high handicapper who lost distance and accuracy due to an elbow injury. I'm getting the distance back and I am getting better accuracy. I attribute this to two things. Your internet coaching and the Wii Fit and Fit Plus Yoga and strength programs. My balance and flexibility have improved due to the Wii and my swing benefited from your instruction. Thanks.
  • Mathew Waters
    >> J Griffin

    Thanks for your comments. I now completely understand the concept of the Vertical Swing. Thank you greatly.

    I think thats what I had been trying to do, but inadvertantly standing too straight in an effort to be "vertical" - Doh!

    I am now looking forwards to my game saturday afternoon to put it into practice more of the great lessons I've learned on this site.

    I really believe that the PPGS works and will keep plugging away at it until I get it right!

    If not, I will be saving up for a flight to meet "The Surge" and get some lessons on your side of the pond!!

    I still struggle with my driver and 3 wood, but I managed to get 10yds from the green in 1 shot on a short par 4 last saturday (265yds) with my 34 degree Hybrid! So I know that when I get it right it definitely works. Then it will be about working on my short game because on that short par four, I took a shocking four shots to finish!

    Is there going to be any lesons on the short game or do the same rules apply??

    Thanks Guys
  • Matthew,
    "Staying Vertical" is what the PPGS is all about. It is a vertical swing, upright, and not a rotational or swinging around and behind swing. In the PPGS the back swing comes up and over the shoulders. In a rotational swing the club is more behind the shoulders.

    The bump is what is starting the down swing. As you are nearing the top of the back swing, the lead hip, left for right handers, makes about a 1" shift forward toward the target and this starts the club in the "free fall" down.
  • Mathew Waters
    Okay, I'm only 26 and took up golf just over 7 Months ago. I just don't get a lot of the jargon people use about golf and find it insanely difficult to understand what is going wrong with my swing.

    I have become totally obsessed with playing golf, but really frustrated with it at the same time!

    Please for the sake of my sanity, could someone explain what you mean by staying vertical, but more importantly what is meant by using the "bump" to improve distance.

    I have had only limited success with the PPGS, however I firmly believe that if I can master the technique I will improve my lack lustre game and enjoy it even more than I do now!

    please help!
  • David Godfrey
    Don`t forget that we get shorter as we get older. Its quite normal to be about 2% shorter in our sixties than we were in our forties, as the spine discs thin out. To compensate, our feet get slightly bigger so we should be more stable on the tee!
  • Amos Terrell
    to J Griffin:

    Thanks for the reply- -I will check the Inner Circle momentarily.

    to ALL:

    On ACCURACY over DISTANCE:

    When I was much younger, and drivers were real wood, balls had wound rubber band centers, and Lob wedges were about 15 years in the future -- I had the pleasure of playing with an older (40-ish) woman with the most amazing short game I have every seen from anyone -- Pro or Amateur).
    She never hit a drive over 150 or 160 yards -- but exactly in the center of the fairway all day long. Additionally, from 90 yards out to the edge of the green whatever she hit - wedge, short pitch or a chip -- it hit the green, took a short hop, rolled 6 to 10 feet -- and hit the PIN -- like a Mrs. Iron Byron -- time after time after time. 2 of them went in the hole, most of the others stopped within 6 to 12 inches of the hole. She hit 3 of 4 par 3's in regulation, birdied 2 of them -- and shot a 68.

    The lesson I learned from that -- AMOS get thee a SHORT game!!

    Keep hitting them STRAIGHT and LONG

    Amos
  • Barbara Markham
    Could you plese give me some clues to get out of bunkers. I am 78 years of age and the bunkers are driving me crazy.
  • The Surge!
    To Steve Sutton,

    You know your dominant eye is working when you have a clear and precise focus in looking at your target or your ball in the setup and then as you swing.

    As for help on your swing, I need some clue as to what is happening with your swing, impact and or your ball flight to be able to make a diagnosis and some recommendations that can help.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    Brian Q,

    Spinning out is primarily caused by two problems or a combo of both. The first is alignment. For a right hander you are aiming right of the target and have to swing by pulling across your body to get to impact. The second is a backswing that is too long and or too deep because of two much turn with the arms, hands and club getting behind your torso. To get back to the ball you have to swing around your body and this can cause your lead or left side to spin out.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    To Steve H.

    Many of your points are correct. This article was about a general mind set for playing more steady and consistent golf. Naturally conditions and special circumstances can trump the main plan of accuracy over distance like light to no rough.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    To Robert G. Greening,

    When good swings start hitting poor shorts and or you have trouble making solid contact and starting the ball on line. Or you are not able to maintain your normal shot shape is the time to see a club fitter and see of your swing speeds have fallen enough to need a shaft change.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    Triple 51,

    You lift your hands in the backswing as high as you can without changing your spine angle. Yes, the bump starts before the top of the backswing.

    The Surge!
  • The Surge!
    To Steve Holloway,

    I am in no position to recommend any training program other than mist gyms have qualified trainers that can put a program together for a golfers needs. There are also plenty of books by trainers you can check out. someone also blogged in about the Titleist Performance Institute has great golf specific programs.

    The Surge!
  • Ernie Preedy
    In 60 years of golfing, I have found that mother nature has a great way of compensating: as you grow older, your muscles grow weaker so that you cannot outdrive your failing eyesight. Now, I just golf for comradship, fresh air and exersize. Keep up the good work
  • Doug
    Hi Surge I can't hit too far I'm 70 yrs old I have had both rotator cuffs repaired when i swing my right elbow sticks out like a chicken wing taking flite the most I can hit is about 80-100yards should I just quit and stay home I really like playing golf and maybe I just don't have it anymore i never was any good anyway but know what I just keep trying to play and I like to joke around a bit. what do you think? Doug Brown in Canada
  • William Ward
    To Lou,
    Glad to hear of another 9 wood fan out there. My 9 wood is one of my all-time most dependable, favorite, right down the middle clubs. Great out of fairway bunkers, too.
  • raul
    Thanks for all the lessons. These lessons are the real deal. On the money,direct and understandable. I've had lessons from "pros" and they don't know how to speak in terms we understand. Tour players understand and thats why they each speak the same lingo.Magazines are more of the same. Those lessons applying to the pros and very low handicapers. Surge puts it out front with great images. I'm tired of guys saying that they been golfing for l.5 years and their a 7 handicap. Asking how to play a 6 iron from the rough. Clear, in terms I can understand with examples of how to relate and interpret. The Surge is thee best. Me, been playing for 12 years and a 22 h/c but look forward to this year with the help of the Surge to lower even 2 or 3 strokes. Thanks again........I'm verticle!!
  • Robert Greening,
    I'm guessing you are new to the PPGS Blog and have not read the article on shafts which deals with flex etc. Club head is only one aspect of shaft fitting. Tempo and release are two more factors. Also, flex only deals with frequency of the butt. The shaft consists of a lot more than that. Also, what is flex. Is a stiff flex in a Graffaloy Pro Launch Blue the same as a stiff flex in Fuji Motore'? Not even close. So, the answer to your question is to see a fitter that understands all the dynamics of a shaft and how they work with the dynamics of your swing.
  • Ronnie,
    Congratulations!
  • Andrew,
    If there are answers, they would be here on the blog.
  • andrew singh
    Hi Surge

    Where can I find the answers requested by our fellow PPGS members ?

    kind regards

    Andrew Singh
  • Russell McCrackin
    A little more than 50 years ago I used to play with and "old guy" that always was first to hit on the fairway, and always from the middle. I don't think he would know how to look for a ball in the rough. 150 yards was impossible for him with any club, but he beat us all, including the local Pro. I never saw him on the driving range, just on the practice green. Now I wish I could play like he used to do when HE was "old".
  • I have only been playing for the last 2 years so I do not know if my age is factor in distance. Being that I am 56 now that should mean that I should be slowing down. This is the off season for me but in the golf season I will go to the driving range and hit 2 jumbo buckets and then sometimes add another jumbo. I have had 20 to 30 year old friends complain about hitting a jumbo. I seem to recover from back and shoulder pains very quickly. I have been reading up on the latest research on nutrition and have been using specialized nutrition to stay healthy for over 20 years. Having been defective from birth with a defective heart that I did not know about until Jan 11 when my Aorta started to split open. After 16 hrs surgery I spent the about a week coming to and did not leave the hospital till the 25th of January . I am in recovery.

    I don't know if I will be ready for the beginning of the season , so I haven't had a chance to test my swing but I wanted to say that the surgeon said that my organs "looked like that of a 16 year old". Not being on any special diet it could be the nutrition products that I have been using to stay healthy have not been a waste of money like some of my friends think. With our busy schedules we may need to supplement to get the trace minerals and amino's and what nots that we need to stay young and flexible.
  • David Brunovsky
    Hi, whats this about a school in Port St, Lucie,fl in March? How much is it,where is it and how much longer to sign up. thanks. Looking forward to hearing from you.Dave
  • Michael
    Surge, I bought your training videos about a year ago and although I believed in your concepts, I still spent more time concerned with my lack of distance, particularly off the tee. Most of my buddys hit it 50+ yrds off the tee longer than I do. But I recently decided to convert to primarily focusing on my accuracy instead of distance. I'm proud to say that after doing so, I finally broke 95 today & shot a 93. My normal best is high 90s (like 99) to low 100s. Thanks for the constant reminder that straighter is always better even if shorter.
  • Tom Stopski
    Surge.....I think a perfect example of straight beats long occurred this past weekend in the match play between long hitting Casey (30- yds longer off the tee) , but, a four hole loser to the shorter,, straighter, t dressed in PINK....eventual Champ. (Can't recall his name...a first time winner now in the USof A.)
  • Greg Vickers
    Surge,

    I am also in that 50ish area and one thing that i found helpful was hitting the practice range an hour b4 playing. It loosened me up and added yards to my shots and contributed to my accuracy. Along with a exercise program that added to my flexibility and strength.

    Thanks for the great comments Surge!
  • Lou
    Related to Donald Hansen's comment.... I played golf about a couple years ago with a rather elderly gentleman in the group. He was using a 4 iron hybrid where a lot of us were using a 6 or 7 iron and he was really consistent. I saw his score for the 9 holes - 3 strokes over par.

    Also, along those lines... my stepmother is 75 and not a terribly long hitter (her drives are probably about 170-180). She puts em down the middle and generally shoots around 95 for 18 holes.
  • Triple_51
    Don, I love this swing. Like many, I've been searching for consistency in my swing. My question is how high should my hand get at the top of the vertical backswing. If I get too high it makes me raise my head. Also, am I right that the bump must start just before you get to the top. Last question. Is there any instructor in the Houston area that will teach your swing. Thanks
  • Steve H.
    Surge, Well, yes and no . . . I'm not trying to nit-pick, or be a smart aleck, -- I know the point you're trying to make and it's a good one. But, having said that there are definitely some cases where I'd absolutely take the 100 yd. wedge from the rough over the 150 yd. 6 or 7 iron -- even from the fairway. I'm not on the tour, and the truth is that on a lot of the courses folks like me play, you often have as good a chance for a reasonable lie, or play to the green, from the rough than you do from the fairway. But, more to the point, the difference in accuracy between a wedge and a mid-iron, at least for me, makes distance off the tee generally more important than fairway accuracy (this with the assumption, of course, that you can at least be accurate enough to keep it in play off the tee -- nothing in the woods, O.B., etc.) We see Tour players play with this strategy all the time (assuming the rough isn't so punitive as to make any shot from the rough impossible.)

    Your point, "straight is great" is well taken. But, at least to the extent you make the analogy, I really cannot say that I'd give up 50 yards off the tee to consistently be in the fairway. I went to a club-fitter a few years ago. I had about a 12-15 yd. natural fade (I'm right handed and 53 years old) and carry about 220 to 230 in the air on a normal drive. He asked what was more important, Straighter or Longer. I, of course, answered, "Both!" LOL! But, I thought on the whole I'd like to see it a bit straighter. He fitted me to accomplish that; and it worked, though I found I was usually giving up about a club in distance. And I watched my scores go up -- not a lot, but two or three strokes per round. For me, hitting a 4 instead of a 5, etc. was just enough to make a difference overall. So, I went back to my fade, regained my distance and got back to my usual scores.

    Could be different for different people, and again overall I agree with your point, but I'd say that you also have to play to your strengths.
  • Ronnie McCurry
    I want to thank you Mr. Trahan. I finally got the swing locked in today at the range. I could not have hit the ball any straighter. An older gentlemen about my age was watching me and told me to get a little closer to the hosel when I hit the ball. The ball was going high and straight. He asked me if I shot in the 70's and I said maybe 40 years ago and now it was closer to 90. He said he could not believe that and asked if I was trying to hustle because he used to be a scratch golfer and said he is there every day and say few people pure their shots like that. I too was shocked and came home in disbelief. I have made condescending remarks about this approach to the golf swing and now know it was just sour grapes because I was not getting it. I just want to thank you so very much. I am a true believer. If people keep trying the the light switch will come on.
  • Lou
    There's this wonderful element of golf called the short game, switching from long/middle irons to lofted woods and hybrids, and going from stiff shafts to regular. I'm 52.

    I've probably lost about 10-15 yards on my short irons (I currently hit an 8 iron about 140, a 9 about 125 and a PW about 110) but I've gained accuracy on them.

    I would say that my driver carries about 230 nowadays (20 years ago I hit a 4 wood that far and could hit a 1 iron almost 250; I've hit a wooden 3 wood 300+ before).

    I've been carrying 5-9 woods, 31-35-39 hybrids in place of the long and middle irons. It is much less work to hit a 35 degree hybrid 165 yards vs using a 7 iron (which I barely get 150 out of: I hit my 39 deg hybrid that far). I don't carry a 3 wood because I can hit a 5 wood 200-220 yards STRAIGHT. My personal opinion is that a 9 wood is probably the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    The big difference why I shoot in the mid-high 80s now vs barely breaking 100 between 1977-2006 (other than the fact that I played very little) is I have developed a killer short game and I pretty much go for hitting it straight (much easier task when you don't try to kill the ball).

    Related to all of this.... when I was in high school, I caddied at a local country club. The club champ was a scratch golfer but barely got 150 yards out of a 5 iron (he was probably about 65 or so). He just had a vicious short game and put the ball right down the middle of the pipe.
  • Robert G. Greening
    Surge,
    Had to inquire about accuracy and speed after reading this article. I am 63 years old with a 7 handicap My swing speed was recently measured at 104 and I average about 260 on my drives with an 80percent accuracy on hitting fairways.

    My question is this: when shoud I consider changing my driver shaft flex from stiff to regular?

    Thanks...
  • Theodore Yalch
    Don Trahan;

    Please provide a mailing address so I may send you free of charge a golf fitness product for your

    evaluation that I have invented and patented. Thank you



    Theodore Yalch
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